H1N1 virus – To vaccinate or not vaccinate: that is the question
With so much controversy over the H1N1 vaccine, how do you know if you and your kids should get it? Here are some online resources that offer valid information and tips on websites that you should avoid, so you can make an informed decision for you and your family.
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I’ve heard a lot of rumours flying around in regards to the H1N1 vaccine. It’s safe. It’s dangerous. The vaccine contains formaldehyde and mercury. If less than 80% of the population receives the H1N1 vaccine, the virus will mutate rendering the vaccine useless. The swine flu kills healthy people. H1N1 doesn’t kill people who are healthy…I could go on, but I’m sure by now you’re nodding your head in recognition to these claims. So, how the heck do you know what’s fact and what is complete bollocks? If the prospect of my family getting the swine flu isn’t scary enough, now I get to lay awake at night wondering if I’m making the right choice of not having my family get vaccinated (that’s right, I said not), or if I should take the risk of my future grandchildren being born with 3 eyeballs because I had my son vaccinated without there being enough research done beforehand.
To help you get real information and sift through the massive amounts of hearsay, here are some online resources that are reliable, ones that you should probably avoid like the plague, and tips on what to look for to help determine if the information on a website can be trusted.
Helpful and Reliable Online Resources
Public Health Agency of Canada – Here you will find an abundance of information, including info for specific groups of people, such as pregnant women, First Nations, and people with chronic health conditions. This site offers you valuable facts about the H1N1 vaccine, including the benefits, risks and even a “myth busting” section. What does the Public Health Agency of Canada say about mercury being an ingredient in the vaccine? “Thimerosal is a form of mercury used in the H1N1 flu vaccine to stabilize it and maintain its quality during storage. Thimerosal is a different form of mercury than the mercury known to cause health problems. The amount in flu vaccines is much less than the daily limit recommended – for example a can of tuna fish has more mercury than the thimerosal in the H1N1 flu vaccine.” So, now I can cross that concern off my list.
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) – This website offers some PDF vaccine fact sheets, a Q&A section on the H1N1 vaccine, vaccination information for specific groups, and more. One rumour that’s been going around is that getting the seasonal flu shot can increase your chances of getting the H1N1 virus. CDC says otherwise, “CDC has reviewed data from studies done in the United States, and these studies along with a published study from Australia found that receipt of seasonal influenza vaccine neither increased nor decreased the risk of getting 2009 H1N1 influenza. In contrast, a small published study from Mexico found that seasonal vaccine provided some protection against 2009 H1N1. There has been recent media coverage about research conducted in Canada that suggests getting a season flu vaccination increases a person’s chances for becoming infected with the 2009 H1N1 flu virus. No other country has reported that seasonal vaccine has any positive or negative effect on the risk of getting 2009 H1N1 influenza. CDC is continuing to review the data as it becomes available.”
World Health Organization (WHO) – I find this website isn’t as user friendly as the first two I’ve listed, but the information is very reliable and helpful.
Unreliable Resources
You shouldn’t immediately trust information you find on personal websites, blogs or web forums. Before I get attacked by people who have such websites, I’m not saying all these resources contain false information, simply that people shouldn’t assume that the information on all such sites is correct. Put it this way – anyone can have a blog and call themselves a doctor, but that doesn’t mean it’s true. If you read up on H1N1 info from one of these places, simply visit a trusted resource – like the three mentioned above – and run a search within that site for what you’re interested in.
Additional Tips
Another thing to keep in mind is to check the date of the documents/articles you’re reading. Something that may have been a concern a few months ago could have been proven false since then, making the article you’re reading inaccurate. If there isn’t an obvious date at the beginning of the article, check the bottom of the webpage for a “last updated” date.
Look to see what the website’s domain name is to know if the information is coming from a government website, educational website, etc. Here’s a brief description of some common domain names:
.ca – Canadian websites
.com – Commercial website
.edu – Educational websites
.gov – Government website
.org – Organization website, often non-profit
My husband and I have decided not to get our family vaccinated. I believe that proper nutrition, exercise, sleep, and hand washing is an effective means to preventing the swine flu for most people who are not considered high risk.
What do you think? Will you and your family be getting vaccinated?
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I will definitely NOT be getting the flu shot and recommend that my family do not get it as well. I have seen no evidence to date that proves the ful shot is effective and lots of evidence to suggest it could be more harmful than good. In my own case, I have not had a flu type illness other than one 24 hour ‘bug’ this spring, in over 30 years. So I won’t try to fix what appears to be working well…….my own immune system.
Having had and seen bad side effects from other drugs/chemicals in myself and family memebers, I would stay clear of all their products unless there was a much higher benefit vs risk percentage. There just has not been enough illness and death out there above and beyond the normal annual flu to warrant getting myself all paranoid and AFRAID of the H1N1 flu.
I agree with the above comment……diet, exercise and a few good supplements like garlic and lots of liquids, especially homemade vegetable soups should do the trick. And if I do get the flu, I will get better on my own, thank you very much!
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Vegetable soup and garlic?? I am a health care professional and your home grown remedies won’t help you. I promise to take good care of you and your families when you are my patients. My family will all be getting the shot. Get informed!
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You don’t say what your profession is, just that you are a health care professional. Your comment was not what a true health care professional would say! Dr Oz is supposedly a true health care professional, and he says that taking care of yourself with good food and exercise etc will in most cases, work better than a “shot”. My whole family of ten have never had any major sickness (and like betty said) aside from a 24 hr bug and even the rare cold. I haven’t been ill for almost 40 years and I haven’t had any immunizations at all, even as a child. Dr Oz and many other “health care professionals” have all said that garlic as well as MANY other foods and cleanliness have been proven to be effective against many types of viruses! You should do some research before making such a statement. It’s true that immunization shots are beneficial for many of the “bugs” around this planet but so are many other “natural” resources, just open your mind and “get informed” before you say that Betty and others will be sick if they don’t get shots! You can reply with your uneducated comments if you like but this will be my only comment. Signed by “Naturally Healthy In Canada”!
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I agree with what you are saying.
I believe that having the best of both worlds is key to preventing illness, including viruses and flu bugs. I know that having both a general practitioner and a naturopathic doctor is a good idea and both sides can contribute valuable information to their patients.
I have decided not to get the H1N1 flu shot and will not be getting my daughter, aged 23 months, vaccinated either. She has had NO vaccinations in her lifetime other than the standard vitamin K shot at birth. She has never been given antibiotics for anything, although they have been prescribed more than twice. Instead, I received a second opinion from our naturopathic doctor and my daughter is doing wonderfully! She has been treated for ear infections, colds, etc. with homeopathic medicines and organic foods and vitamins.
I, as a child, received vaccinations and at that time, many years ago, my mother was concerned because I had had physical reactions to the vaccines themselves. I had fevers, was completely grouchy and I can remember not being able to move my arm even an inch for days. As a child, it scared me so much. What was inside those vaccines back then? And now?
I know vaccines are helpful in some cases, however, I believe that SAFER vaccines need to be created ASAP! For me and my family, hand washing, sanitizing with natural cleaners, eating sensibly and taking Vitamin D, along with garlic seems to be the most proper and responsible way to be this coming flu season.
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I hope your daughter doesn’t get smallpox or polio. Modern medicine has eliminated these terrible deseases. Antibiotics have cured the plague. You are endangering your daughter by taking her back to the dark ages. Homeopathic medicines only work by the placebo effect.
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I totally agree with what you have written and you seem to know what you are talking about.I have read reports by natural health practitioners about the benefits of vit.D and garlic,but my question is..is it safe to give these supplements to young kids..mine is 8..and if so, how much and in what form.I can take these supplements via swallowing a pill.But how would I administer it to an 8 year old? I am asking you because you seem to have gotten all this information from a trusted source and are using these methods in your family.Please kindly reply.
Thank-you.,
Carrie
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I am always amazed when people consider that western medicine and natural medicine need to be exclusive of each other. I work in a cooperative fashion with my western physician and my naturopath to my great benefit. Each has very valid ways to treat the body and how it deals with illness and health. Consider using both.
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My God what rubbish. As a reegistered nurse I ask you if you are thankful that the polio, smallpox, typhoid etc., vaccines were developed by great scientists and given to you & I as children.
Your daughter will require vaccinations to enter the school system and thank God for antibiotics as they may save her life someday.
Doctors today do not prescribe antibiotics unless they feel an illness is bacterial and the child is showing symptoms of infection.
Please don’t count on your naturopathic person to tell you what your young child needs….very dangerous.
Of course our arms were sore after vaccines….not a big deal compared to contracting some of the fatal illnesses those vaccines prevented.
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Laura – I was so glad to read your post… I am currently expecting and will be having a little boy in March. I am EXTREMELY hesitant about getting him vaccinated especially given the link between some vaccines and Autism. (To anyone else reading: Please spare me any comments about how this claim has been ‘debunked’, I’ve done enough research in sources from across the world to know it’s absolutely true).
It’s great to know there are parents out there who’ve made this choice and to see how well their kids are prospering!!!
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I’m in agreement with you. My daughter didn’t even get the Vitamin K shot, because a naturopath that was our doctor said that was originally given to just boys a few years back to prevent internal bleeding during circumcision, but then the drug mfr’s started giving it to girls. In some cases, the Vitamin K shot can cause a reaction that causes instant death in infants. I said no. Just my 2 cents.
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Hey Mr. Dunbar, Polio and Small Pox are irracticated, When was the last time you have ever heard of anybody in The US having Small Pox or Polio? Who are these kids going to catch it from? No need to take either vaccination. Laura is doing the right thing, and and as an American, she has that right to rear her children anyway she wants as long as it is not child abuse! Which this clearly isn’t!
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Eat your fruit and vegetables. Excercise and wash your hands. And get the shots. This flu is killing people and making others extremely sick. Yes a very small number of people get reactions to the vacinations, but no where near the number of people who get seriously ill from the flu. Get your shots, and eating garlic won’t hurt either.
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My father received the swine flu shot in 1976, as a result of the swine flu scare that supposedly was rappant at that time.
More people died of the swine flu shot that the flu itself.
1 week after my father received that shot, he passed away.
Did you ever think this whole thing might have been created
by big pharmaceutical companies ?
Did you know about 500,000 people die every year of the regular flu
viruses that circulate the globe.
We need to make ourselves more independent from pharmaceutical
drug companies. Sounds like they might do just about anything for the almight dollar.
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we are what we eat and yes nutrition is the key to great health. As long as it is not the all fluff and not nutrients foods. try to eat organic. Yes the apples may be smaller but big is not always better.
On a comment you made earlier, I worked as a nurse in pediatrics and I can name at least 10 cases of whopping cough that occured after the child recieved their vaccinations. ALL of those children that came in had their vaccinations within a month of getting the whopping cough, but somehow it is reported as only a coincidence by the doctors. Go figure. They haven’t learned how to add 2 plus 2.
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Uneducated commentary is the worst resource on the web. Homeopathy is the longest standing naturopathic resource with scientific backing…the flu vaccine you are so supportive of in fact is homeopathic! Please research your statement and think again! The difference between true homeopathy and vaccine is the lack of harmful chemicals in the homeopathic dosing pellets. Definition of Homeopathy: A system of therapy based on the concept that disease can be treated with drugs (in minute doses) thought capable of producing the same symptoms in healthy people as the disease itself, thereby stimulating an immune response against said illness. Oscillococcinum is a German homeopathic flu treatment, available in the US that is widely effective. It is an extract from duck liver. I have needed it twice in my life and it worked wonders for me. No placebo in the world is going to drop your temperature, take away your muscle aches and make you feel amazing when you have the flu! Your opinion is useless and uneducated…get the facts!
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I watched the Dr. Oz show the other day and although he provided a doctor who argued that perhaps the shot was not necessary, he himself got the flu shot on national television and basically plugged Walgreens in the process. Real doctors and scientists and anybody who actually is informed supports germ theory and vaccinations. Thousands die every year from flu-related complications, how many people die of the vaccine?
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As far as how many actually die from the vaccine,you can bet
that will never be made public. Nor will most of the side effects documented. I personally know of one that ended up in ER with
Chest pain 17 hours after receiving the vaccine. It was not
cardiac . All the appropriate tests were done to rule that out. Another ended up in ICU because of an anaphylatic reaction for a week.
Like all things in life there are pro’s & cons. I have yet to
be given a black & white answer to one question and proper
proof of the answer. That being, are there any antibiotics such as neomycin or streptomycin in the vccine? can you provide proof
that there isn’t?? I have a anaphylactic reaction to Garamycin
& as you know this is from the same family as the previous
mentioned antibiotics.
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“You can reply with your uneducated comments if you like” sounds like you are giving your own “uneducated opinion” from your personal experience.
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theres ALWAYS a first
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for example in my whole 46 years of life ive never had a UTI ‘urinary tract infection’ last year boom i was hit with one out of the clear blue. so i will be getting immunized because….as i said ….. even with a good immune system , there is always a chance of a first time getting something….and h1n1 is not a chance i want to take.
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Love your post Naturally Healthy In Canada !!!!!!!! And Kim you need to get informed to include get a license to practice health care. Your remark is obvious you are VERY uneducated with regards to vaccines and health issues
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I do know that the Spanish Influenza saw there very few Ukrainians go the flu. Actually, it was such a small percentage that they did a study. What was the difference with the Ukrainians and the rest of the population? A diet rich in garlic. Go figure!!!
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My grandmother lived through the Spanish Influenza and Tuberculosis and she told me that more people died of Tuberculosis than the Spanish Influenza in Germany!!! Back than people did not have flu shots! What happened?
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So much for your garlic theory
“Kiev – The death toll in Ukraine’s flu outbreak continued to rise on Thursday. A total of 95 persons have died from flu-related symptoms since the disease struck Ukraine’s western provinces late last month, said Zinovy Mytnik, vice health minister”
http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/death-toll-still-rising-in-ukraines-flu-outbreak-95-dead-633877-infected-flu-fears-spread-from-ukraine-to-afghanistan/
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Kim you may be a “health care professional” but as such you probably know lots about “medicine” and nothing about nutrition. To say that herbs etc will not help is an uneducated statement. Herbs have been keeping people alive and healing them long before western medicine was even thought of.
The concept of vaccination is an extremely sensible one but I wouldn’t trust those vaccinations to be “clean” any further than I can blow snot. I used to work in nuclear bacterial and chemical defence and probably know even more than you about some of the experimentation that goes on in this stuff. Take your vaccination at your own risk.
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IF Kim is a “health care professional” I would like PROOF
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Couldn’t have said it better. People are getting very sick and dying…if you don’t want to protect yourself because of personal beliefs thats your choice. If you don’t do the responsible thing and prevent yourself from being infected, you run the risk of infecting others including those who may die from the infection. There is NO valid reason not to immunize yourself and a million reasons why you should. So, if you choose not to get the vaccine, do the right thing and isolate yourself from people until the second wave has passed.
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How would we infect others if the others get the vaccine- would they not be protected from the vaccine? And those who decided not to get it, then that was their choice not to be immunized and they would have to live with their decision.
I will not put anything in my body that I do not have more info. on. I already have fibromyalgia and so does my daughter (do not know where this came from) and my son has some learning disabilities and we all took vaccines. Now I am becoming educated that these vaccines can have more side effects. I am hearing more about autism and no one is coming up with the causes of this tragic condition.
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Thumbs up!
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Always trying to blame something on something else.
Autism is cause by ultigene interactions of common genetic variants. They even stopped using ‘autism causing chemicals’ such as Thimerosol (sic) in some countries and numbers proved that the number of Autism cases per year did not diminish.
Everyone wants to point a finger at a vaccine when something goes wrong. Look at the dark ages, sickness was witchcraft and today we’re on the witch hunt versus medications.
My family runs an apothecary selling more natural supplements and homeopathic remedies than anything. That being said, the business has been open since before my birth, I only had one vaccine in my life. And I do not blame that vaccine for the fact that I have Aspergers Syndrome, and that is also known as part of the Austism Spectrum. Quit pointing the finger at vaccines, they are there to help people.
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I’ve read an article on the flu vaccine from a leading fibromyalgia specialist in Canada (Dr Alison Bested) and taking the vaccine is “not” recommended for those who have fibro. I also have a sensitivity to eggs (where the serum is incubated) and am allergic to synthetic tetanus. Based on that alone, my GP said it’s a “no” for me. However, I’ve suffered with fibro for 22 years and many of the complications involved with this plus other serious medical conditions (like asthma) involve taking many medications. This poses another interesting question; how do we know how the vaccine will interact with the medications we are taking? I’ve been at home for 6 days with what I think is a mild case of the H1N1 virus and am doing my best by staying put, resting, eating properly, taking lots of vitamin D3 and Omega 369, sanitizing constantly (so I don’t spread it to my family members). It’s called being responsible and doing what is best for me. I think everyone is different and has to weigh in on it based on their own medical history.
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The biggest outbreak of Small pox was just after they started to immunize people for it. Don’t kid your self. H1N1 will increase after the people, who got the shot, sped it to the rest of us. Stay at home for a week after you get the vaccination, and don’t give it to the rest of us. We are not sheep. we have learnt enough about this poison to stay far away from it.
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Mathia, you don’t think that mercury doses in infants causes autism? Doesn’t your doctor tell you not to eat tuna, shellfish or any other deepwater fish during your pregnancy because of the mercury levels in them? Yet you think mainlining it into your newborn’s bloodstream should have no negative effects? You need to get your head examined. Thimerasol is what they’re calling it now, in case you want to try and tell me that mercury isn’t in the shots anymore. Google Novartis insert H1N1 vaccine and look at the Adobe file.
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I totally agree!!!! thumbs up!!!!!!!!
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“no valid reason not to immunize yourself?”
i’m not any kind of expert on anything, not pro-vaccination or pro-nonvaccination, just uncertain and looking for more info, and the truth is, a lot of scary info about vaccines is coming to light. your saying “there is no valid reason not to immunize yourself” shows your mind is already made up/closed, but seriously rob, if you actually decide to look up more info, there’s no way you won’t have at least some doubts.
i’m no conspiracy theorist, i was on the fence about whether to get a shot, but i have spent a lot of hours looking for more info re: adjuvants in the h1n1 vaccine, and personally, now you couldn’t pay me enough to let them inject me with this. health canada has never approved squalene in vaccinations but they bought 50 million h1n1 doses that contain it for us all.
i challenge you rob!
start with squalene and keep reading, i really look forward to hearing back after you get more info, because i’d love to converse with someone who can legitimately see both sides 
this isn’t about who’s right or wrong ….
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I personally know 7 people that got the H1N1 shot against their better judgement 5 ( adults ) were in ICU within 14 days of receiving the shot NONE had any health issues and in excellent health prior to the shot. My friends grandaughter ( age 5 ) had her H1N1 vaccine 3 weeks ago in excellent health she has been in hospital very very ill in ICU on a resperator now going on 16 days.
So your comment “no valid reason not to immunize yourself?” is BULL CRAP
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Get informed?
How is this for information….
These vaccines have not been properly tested and they contain formaldyhede and mercury- how does this help my family ? these ingredients belong in a car battery and not in my son!
Oh by the way……my doctor has confirmed this along with the inserts that come with the vaccines if you have ever bothered to read it.
Something to think about….
we all need to do our homework and not just rely on what the Health Organizers of this country tell us.
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Way to go.
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I keep reading these new posts and am not surprised that people who “Say they are in Health Care” are misinformed and believe the propaganda.
Apparently you do not need common sense to be in health care.
I have been warned by Life Long Friends 45 years who are “M.D. thats Medical Doctor” ” I would not go near it if I were you”
“Its Poison”
Grow up and do the research before you pass the Money Grabbing Propaganda down the line.
Did someone screw up in a lab somewhere, probably.
You are not fooling anyone, at least not me.
I do not suffer guilt and fear try someone else.
My Daughter has a wet cough as I write this she is 5 try to make me feel guilty good luck!
She will be fine because she will NOT be getting Poisoned with vaccine.
Chris.
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Amen to you for your comment!!! And i hope your little one gets better soon =)
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Doctor Said my 5 year old has a sinus cold and it will go away in 5-10 days.
Shes feeling better, and had no symptoms other than the wet cough.
All we need to do is Not Panic and examine the Facts not our fears.
It seems what we did as kids is no longer acceptable, drink out of garden hose ring any bells? eat dirt?
Good Heath to everyone.
Chris.
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I was on the fence about getting vaccinated, but after reading your post I’ve decided not too. Thanks for the info, but I’ll stick to boosting my immune system by eating fruits and vegetables and washing my hands, using hand sanitizers on a regular basis.
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With you on this one!:)
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@jackie
We need to inform ourselves?
Looks like you are the one misinformed dummy.
The H1N1 vaccine DOES NOT contain formaldehyde or mercury.
It does contain a safe form of mercury called Thimerosal.. “a can of tuna fish has more mercury than the Thimerosal in the H1N1 flu vaccine”.
Did you even bother reading the article on this page or checking out the links provided?
No, of course you didn’t, because people like you would rather put on their tin-foil hats and run around screaming “the sky is falling”.
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Ya maybe, but if I inject a tuna fish sandwich into your bloodstream you will get “very” sick, they tend to not mention the fact that certain organic materials can be safely ingested, and will filter through digestion, but if injected directly into blood you would get sick or even die. That is a vaccination company spokesperson sound byte, and is being parroted by the uneducated…like the press. So the day you will let me grind up a Tuna sandwich and inject it directly into your arm, is the day i let you do the same with a vaccination to me.
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Anyone else find it funny that JW calls @Jackie a “dummy” because “The H1N1 vaccine DOES NOT contain formaldehyde or mercury.” then states “It does contain a safe form of mercury”… guess what JW… your the dummy…
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AMEN
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It seems health care professionals are biased in their views…they have to be, it is your job.
It ceases to amaze how people do not learn from history. The risk of long term affects of the swine flu shot is too high for someone of good health. I say, give me tested shots and maybe I will think about it. But to make me a guinea pig for something that has not undergone enough testing, and oh, the main thing, these labs making BIG BUCKS to have us stab each other to recieve one just is absurd. May we all stay healthy!
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Health care professionals are somewhat conditioned to believe they are given the true information but I cannot trust the manufacture of this poison. It is a scam as far as I see. I mean, don’t your guards go up when US President declared it a state of emergency? There are very few cases, the CDC had to quit keeping tack in July because by count of specimens sent to a lab reviled that only about 3% of what is claimed to be Swine Flue cases are H1N1.
Something is going on here and I don’t trust it! WAKE UP.
Health care professionals were the most victimized by thalidomide in the early 60s, especially doctors so don’t use that title to deem yourself as credible than someone who isn’t..
I hope you enjoy your choice years from now.
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There are lots of natural immune enhancers, remedies and healthy life style choices that DO boost your immune system and naturally help you fight off disease and illness. I won’t get the shot! Got vacinated as a baby against scarlet fever….I can verify for you how well that didn’t work! Even the center for disease control admit they are skipping over protocol testing and drug companies and governments are signing disclaimers….that definitely needs to be somewhat of an eye opener. I have travelled to third world countries and never had anything but baby vacinations and I am one of the healthiest people you will meet. Never say never (and I live by that rule) but I truly believe this is not a well thought out stategy but a panic reaction.
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Very well put!
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Now that drug companies can’t be sued for damages from their product, it is in their best interest to rush a product to market, because there is less damage for their mistakes.
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Get the shot you say? Where? When? There is not enough to go around right now.
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everything seems backwards,everything is upside-down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information..
NOW,IF ARE JUST STUPID WE FORGIVE YOU, kim..
but if you know whats all about,
YOU ARE GONNA BURN IN HELL FOREVER!!!!!
so,check yo self before you wreck yo self!
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Kim,
Are you aware that the H1N1 shot has 25,000 times the level of mercury that, if in food, would be considered toxic? Did you know that the H1N1 shot’s side effects include Guillain Barre Disease, which my mother got in 1971 from the flu shot then? Look, why don’t you look on Novartis’ own insert before you “health professionals” make any wise decisions for others. Go and do a google search for Novartis’s own website’s list of their insert where they warn of the Thimerisol and adjuvants that they add to the vaccine. By the way, orderlies shouldn’t give medical advice, Kim.
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I was told by a health care professional in my family NOT to get it (even though they could lose their job for telling me this), and that’s exactly what I will be doing.
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How do you know its safe? Not that I am challenging you but we have NO clue what might happen 5, 10 or 15 years from now.
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I will not be getting the flu shot, never have in the past. I agree that good eating,lots of rest and exercise, washing of hands, wiping down fridge and door nobs daily is a good practice. Hope this virus passes quickly. Good luck to all whether you do or don’t get the flu shot.
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Betty,no truer words spoken.Like you said your best defense is your own immune system.Not a whole lot of emphasis put on this though by big pharma or the medical est.No money in it for big pharma.
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Betty! Hats off to u! i didnt realise that there was another person in the planet who thinks like me! I agree with every word u wrote & I too am not gonna try to fix whats working well- my immune system. I would just add 1 line at the end of ur comment ie: if i do get the flu, i will either get better on my own or DIE, but i still dont trust the so called smart ass health care ‘experts’ like KIM! who think theyve solved all the medical mysteries in the world! They been trying to unlock the secret of a simple ‘flu’ for over a year, which theyve been unsuccessful with. several others in the past , ‘ sars’ included! & they expect me to trust their wisdom?? id rather “Die” looooooool
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Finally someone who makes sense of the whole business. I will not be bullied by the media and our government into taking drugs my body doesn’t need. I will continue to rely on my own immune system which has held up extremely well so far without any flu shots ever. I’m sure not starting now just to support the paranoia going around and most of all, the drug companies who can’t wait to put more poison in my body. And as you say, should I get sick I will get well on my own thank you very much. I appreciate knowing other people feel the way I do.
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I agree completely with you!
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Amen to that!
They (Big Pharma) are continuously fear-mongering the masses to this day by use of their puppet media. WAKE UP PEOPLE or are you SHEEPLE! There is more to this than you know! Pass this on to your loved ones… THEY ARE LYING TO US!
Please visit: Swine Flu Genocide
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGwCfSjSn5A&feature=related
Parts 1 – 12
(1930 Eli Lilly creates toxic Thermarosol with Prescott Bush connection,Politics & Big Pharma create many viruses & diseases like smallpox, spanish flu, etc., Henry Kissinger & WHO connection in 1971, population reduction experimentation, the truth about H1N1 & H5N1 mutations, what really happened in the 1918 pandemic? Most who died recieved the mass vaccinations and Rockefeller banking family connections.
The more you watch the more you WON’T and CAN’T stop listening! Watch all 12 parts all listed down right side).
Then decide for yourselves… Let me know what you think… Just passing on the truth!
Thank you kindly.
LeonardLi
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I am a registered nurse and I recommend the flu shot to all individuals. Highly recommend for people with existing co-morbidies such as COPD, asthma etc.
‘Most people will develop immunity in about 10 days after the H1N1 flu shot. Clinical trials have shown 85% to 98% of healthy adults developed an immune response strong enough to offer protection against the virus.’ Health Canada
I agree diet, exercise and healthy eating habits are important factors for overall health but vaccinations have there place. There are so many medical myths out there it boggles my mind. I agree again everyone must make inform decisions, but that doesn’t include Oprah, Dr. Oz, Dr. Phil etc.
Please read in detail the CDC and Health Canada websites. There information is the most up to date regarding medical facts. Can they make mistakes, sure. But that is why continuing research is needed to ensure information is current.
As well as being a registered nurse, I have a degree in Biology with a focus in Biochemistry and have studied vaccinations in detail. I believe I can make an informed decision.
Just a thought about medical myths. Vitamin C helps the common cold. This is one of the largest myths I have ever seen. The only medical study to have ever shown this by Dr. Pauling was manufactured. Every study post has never shown a link.
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One thing that is completely frustrating is when ‘health care professionals’ push these vaccines ~ and make mention of past epidemics such as small pox, rubella, etc. ~ and that we would still have these had it not been for these vaccines. As a health care professional ~ YOU should be more informed! Read a lot and learn…along with these ‘vaccines’ came better health care, improved technology, more available information and better proper hygiene awareness!!!!! These factors all contribute to the disappearance of these epidemics. Like everything ~ time is also a factor. Many of these diseases haven’t returned because of a better health care system and public awareness came along with these situations ~ along with better nutrition and personal care.
It is very un-nerving to hear ‘health care professionals’ claim that these vaccines have been the cause of this improvement alone. You all should do some valid reading and be ‘re’ informed…instead of listening to others in your line of duty who may be biased to certain beliefs!
Sars has passed ~ without a huge vaccine scare. Where sis that go? (just an example).
Please read, read and read (proper reading of course) before making such confirmed comments.
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We do not live in a “health” care system…we live in a sick care one. Our government makes money from big pharma and tobacco companies. Coming up with new vaccines and drugs for illnesses is how our country chooses to keep people calm. If our government said to us to pracitce good hygiene and exercise and eat well, most citizens would be in uproar. Instead, many people take comfort in having a needle poked into their arm.
I will not be having any shots this flu season as I feel that the H1N1 is too new to know any side effects or even how beneficial it could be. Also, it was made so quickly, how could they have really tested it properly? The annual flu shot is always developed a year too late as it is based on last year’s string, so how does that help us now?
I believe that keeping your immune system strong and being aware of these issues is all we can really do.
Make decisions for yourself, however you should make sure you are getting information from all sides and not just waiting 4 hours in a H1N1 vaccine line because you think that is the right thing to do.
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I would like to address Kelly’s comment in addition to some of the others who are attempting to compare other diseases to H1N1.
You mentioned SARS as your example of eradication of disease without the use of a vaccine, however, SARS is not considered eradicated only contained. It still exists in animal species and is expected to make another mutated return into the human species in the future because it was not eradicated. Most likely, the mutated version of SARS will be more serious and much more deadly than the human strain of SARS which caused approximately 800 deaths in 7 months. H1N1 has claimed the lives of 5,000 people worldwide in only 9 months. Trying to compare these two viruses is not an appropriate, educated, or responsible comparison in my medical opinion.
Also, handwashing was first suggested in western medicine in the late 1800’s after large numbers of women were dying from childbed fever after giving birth. These deaths were most likely related to the contraction of Staph Aureus. Remarkably, modern day medicine did not fully accept or embrace the use of handwashing for another 100 years. Sounds scary but it’s very true.
In the 1970’s, hospitals began establishing infection control departments and policies. These departments are the reason for widespread education of handwashing in today’s society along with JACHO & CDC outcomes study data. Ultimately, my point is handwashing had nothing to do with the eradication of polio, small pox, or rubella. All of these diseaes were contained or eradicated before widespread handwashing was emraced, endorsed, and educated in the US.
My question is if vaccines had nothing to do with controlling outbreaks and reducing mortality of these diseases then why did all of the diseases, some of which existed for thousands of years prior, only begin to contain or eradicated after vaccination programs were implemented?
Also, as most people in society are aware advances in healthcare quality and technology did not take place until the late 1960’s. All of the diseases mentioned above were contained or eradicated by that time. The quality of care available 50 to 60 years ago was extremely limited. I think understanding the history of the medicine and the diseases you are using to try and support your personal beliefs would be a good idea.
I am a “healthcare provider” but believe it or not I am not a H1N1 proponent at this time. I do not feel enough reserch has been done into the vaccination or the disease itself to confidently suggest it to my patients. I understand the stance of health care providers in supporting use of vaccination for eradication purposes but we need more detailed outcomes data on the disease and vaccine before we can support H1N1 to the public. I am researching the topic every day and I feel confident I will be able to support the H1N1 virus soon. Many of the issues around the vaccine have been addressed (i.e. mercury)and research to evaluate it’s effectiveness and safety is underway.
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Great! So you “feel confident (you) will be able to support the H1N1 (vaccine) soon” based on the research you are doing? Fantastic. Seems like that won’t be biased at all now will it, if you’ve already taken a stance on the issue and are doing your “research” from that perspective.
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I am wondering in all of this, after doing the round of shots in 1976 that caused 120,000 people to have reactions~ if they have done any further research into the vaccine for H1N1 to perfect it and see why it caused reactions such a Guillan barre in some and death in others? I do have faith in our healthcare system; with continuous research being done in order to better things all the time, and I think that his new vaccine we are receiving is more than likely safe for the population to be taking. Our western countries that are now receiving it are like, the last in the world to be getting it, if there were any reactions to it from the other countries worldwide- I can imagine one way or another we would hear about it?
Get the shot. Eliminate the freakin disease and get on with out lives, I say. I’m so sick of thinking about this conspiracy theory stuff. It seems preposterous. I am the first one to respect naturopathy and ‘granola’ moms; but I dont want to play games when it comes to my babies lives.
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Jazz,
I find it interesting you would know what my “research” consists of considering you don’t even know who I am. My “research” is an unbiased and bilateral perspective on the virus, vaccine, and clinical research outcomes data.
I am not an H1N1 supporter all though you attempted to suggest I was. There is research being done and I am hopeful the results will be positive. Personally, I do believe vaccines have a safe place in our society and have helped us contain disease. However, I have never forced my personal beliefs into patient care. My patients deserve better than that which is exactly why I am not suggesting H1N1 at this time.
I suggested I would change my stance on the H1N1 vaccination when evidenced based medicine supports a change. If I was a biased H1N1 supporter as your commented suggested, I would already be injecting myself, fammily, and patients with the vaccine.
You really shouldn’t assume what others believe. You know what happens when you assume, don’t you??
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If you read your medical history, incidences of disease, that we now vaccinate against, were on a steep decline prior to the introduction of the vaccines. There were reported reductions in infections in the range of 90% prior to mass vaccination, indicating that improved living conditions, clean water, and better food, were contributing to this decline. Havn’t heard that reported lately have you. Health Care professionals listen to the CDC, WHO, AMA, and any other authoratative group involved in medical care for cash. It is also reported that all army personel from WWI were innoculated during the war. Many died, and spread illness upon their return from the war. Where are the studies indicating the efficacy of the vaccine? Who tracks how many people get sick even after getting the vaccine? Does anyone have a study which shows the percentage of vaccinated people who get sick compared to the unvaccinated percentage who gets sick? Why not? Because then you could not sell your product, that is why? There are doctors out there who believe that vaccines weaken the immune system, or create cyto storms, which ramps up you immune system so that your body attacks itself. Doesn’ there seem to be an explosion of auto-immune disorders? A corresponding explosion of autism? Some doctors believe in the connection. These guys don’t take at face value what the CDC and WHO are spitting out. Why should you?
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I absolutely agree with you. Improved living conditions, clean food, and water contributed to a decline in disease. There is no doubt.
A great example of this in history was during the black death in Europe. The Bubonic Plague spread from infected rats and fleas to humans because living conditions were so poor that humans were co-habitating with infected rodants.
Actually, what I explained was the history of hand washing and advanced technology. It is not possible either of these were responsible for a decline in many of the diseases mentioned because the diseases were contained before our society began practicing infection control handwashing and utiling sophisticated and advanced technologies.
Your right, from what I know there was not an official or structured means of vaccination tracking 60 years ago. It appears the military tracked their vaccinations but any reaction data would have been potentially classifed information. I think we both know the likelyhood the government would have shared the data with the general public is not likely.
Today, we do have means of tracking data and collecting statistics. Specifically, H1N1 is being monitored by several organizations and research institutions. Harvard Medical School scientists are linking large insurance databases that cover up to 50 million people with vaccination registries around the country for real-time checks of whether people see a doctor in the weeks after a flu shot and why. The huge numbers make it possible to quickly compare rates of complaints among the vaccinated and unvaccinated so we will have statics this time around.
Johns Hopkins University will direct e-mails to at least 100,000 vaccine recipients to track how they’re feeling, including the smaller complaints that wouldn’t prompt a doctor visit. If anything seems connected, researchers can call to follow up with detailed questions.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is preparing take-home cards that tell vaccine recipients how to report any suspected side effects to the nation’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting system.
Physicians are also required to report suspected vaccination reactions to the appropriate agencies including the Adverse Events system. It will take time for the outcomes data to surface but we will have it.
Again, I agree. The CDC and WHO can not be the only source of information. Healthcare providers should always do extensive research from multiple sources, both governmental and independent. I look for independent scientific research based on evidence based outcomes myself and I have not seen enough of this data yet. I’m sure there are those who would disagree with me in regards to following evidence based medicine and that’s another debate I do not intend to adress. What’s really important is the quality of care we provide to patients who are seeking care. Nothing more, nothing less.
Patients will have to decide for themselves which side of the fence they chose to sit on. The risk of death from H1N1 is roughly 1 in 1000 people. Patients will have to weigh that risk against getting vaccinated, which, however safe the vaccine may be, the risk is never zero.
The autoimmune disease you are referring to is most likely Gillian-Barre Syndrome. GBS is a rare, neurologic disorder that is usually triggered by an infection or rarely a vaccination against an infection. GBS results in a progressive weakening of the nerves and starts in the legs and works its way up the body. Estimates are that it may occur one time out of 100,000 or every one million vaccine doses. In most cases, patients recover approximately four weeks from the first symptoms, and 80 percent of people have a complete recovery. Some however, can die from GBS; the death rate is quoted as 2 to 3 people in 100.
People will have to make this difficult decision for themselves by weighing the risk of vaccination to risk of disease contraction. I urge patients to educate themselves to the best of their ability so they can make the best informed decision for themselves. Personally, I respect both decisions.
Ultimately…. it’s up to the patient.
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“It is pathetic and ludicrous to say we ever vanquished smallpox with vaccines, when only 10% of the population was ever vaccinated.” ~Dr. Glen Dettman
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But of course people who have respiratory diseases should be vaccinated!!! This virus affects the deepest side of the lungs, and if you already have a respiratory co-morbidity then you better watch out! That’s why they belong in the high-priority group.
However, I believe that for those who still cough and sneeze to your hands, and after use the shopping cart or hold the poll in the bus/subway should be more cautious! Please help not to spred the germs! I don’t need your germs! I have got into the habit of coughing/sneezing to my sleeve!
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Brock,
I have not taken the vaccine (H1N1) yet. I do want to say however that I apprecate your comments. I have been scanning the out look on vaccines and people opinions of health care workers, government, and health authorities in general. It is scary stuff.
If this keeps up we will be well on our way to a new from of plague, and then where will everyone turn for answers? Dr. Phill? It seems to me that these are the very same people who usually end up running to conventional medicine when their ‘witch doctors’ are out of answers and they are in serious trouble. We have a good system why does everyone have to blame the authorities for their problems?
People abuse their bodies in many ways (unhealthy diet, drug and alchohol abuse, working without protective equipment, etc). When their bodies can’t take it anymore or their kids are born with abnomalities it is suddenly the governments fault for giving us preventative vaccines? I don’t by it. The government has made some flops that is certian but since they are answerable to the people for their actions I do not believe they are out to kill us.
It seems plausable that with such distrust for the government circulating North America, lack of real medical education on vaccines and it benefits historically and now. Companies with anti-government adjenda claiming a ‘plain truth’against vaccines are by default awarded a platform from a large and growing percentage of our population. This is something I believe that our government must force these ‘preachers of truth’ to scientically validate in a court of law, and hold them legally accountable for any and all damages. Otherwise we will be all be in serious trouble when a truly devistating plague decides to strike.
I am personally not crazy about vaccines but that does not mean it is or will be beyond me to get it. I will do what it takes to protect my famil and my self.
Thanks again for you comments.
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Hi Brock not sure what nursing school you went to but where i went ( UBC ) your statement ………….Most people will develop immunity in about 10 days after the H1N1 flu shot. Clinical trials have shown 85% to 98% of healthy adults developed an immune response strong enough to offer protection against the virus.’ IS TOTALLY FALSE
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I will definately not be getting the flu shot nor will my family. A point to note about Rhonda’s article is since when are the WHO,CDC and the FDA experts in the drug trade. who sponsors these groups, BIG Pharma. The drug companies pay billions of dollars to get their drugs on the market. There is a direct conflict of interest here but no one says anything. Sometimes these independant groups and websites are the whistle blowers to alot of corrupt government officials and drug companies. We need to get our head out of the hole and wake up. Who really controls the governments, the FDA and The CDC. The so called pandemic is only benefitting one group and that is the manufacturer of the vaccines.
I would be concerned to take a vaccination that the drug companies are lobbying governments, to pass laws, to make them not responsible or liable for any side effects the vaccination may cause.
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Ugh, I agreed totally with this article, I even wrote an editorial for my local newspaper with the same heading, “To vaccinate or Not To Vaccinate”… I really believe this vaccine has been rushed through, and last research I did, ALL the kids who died had underlying health issues. Now there have been two this week with no apparent underlying issues. With a 10 and a 7 year old, I’m starting to wonder. I certainly don’t want my stubborness to result in my kids’ dying! But then again, I am worried about the 3 eyes Grandkids! Let’s face it, it wouldn’t be the first time the government told us all to do something that turned out to be wrong… is this media hype, and government not wanting to foot the bill for people in hospital?? I’m usually very clear on my opinions, but either way I think this one through I am only 50% right.
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I can undersstand why Betty feels that way. I am on the opposite side of the fence I grew up with vaccines for smallpox . hooping cough . poliomelitis , and many more my regret is that we stopped these there are people entering country from who knows where with who knows what. I believe we are to lax in the vaccinations given now,
Betty I hope you never regret this decision as I young chuld my friend was taken to hospital with Diptheria we had been playing all day together, went home for dinner, Ambulance took her to hospital she was dead by 7.pm. I realise this was a long time ago but what goes around comes around. I had been vaccinated she had not.
By the way iof your family are ober age 18 you have no right to say what they should.
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My boyfriend had a case of H1N1.. He is fairly healty. eats well and works out.. He had it for a week, it hit him hard but he was able to beat it, me and my kids all stayed in the same house as him and never got it why I have no clue we washed our hands alot and I made him cough in a towel.. My cousin had the H1N1 and got hopisalized for a week.. my neighbour had it and was sick with it for 7 weeks… all these people I know that had it are still living today…
I’m torn tho as weather I want me and my children to have the shot because i’m afraid of the long term out come of it all..
My son is asmatic, and I heard if you have lung or breathing problems that you should get the H1N1 shot.. I’m not sure what to do.. do I take the chance and get him the shot then he ends up with some terible side effect, or do I not get the shot and chance that he might catch the H1N1 and die..
I wish the experts knew what they are dealing with… The flu shot alone took 4 years to create and this H1N1 only took 6 months how do they know its safe..
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They so say that we would get hit with two waves. Currently, I believe that we have entered into the 2nd wave of H1N1..so wouldn’t it be too late to vaccinate? Research says that 85-97% of our immune system should have protection for the virus between 19-21 days of receiving the vaccine. And if it was such a PANDEMIC, why only make the vaccine with the adjuvant available by mid Nov?? The flu season has start…hello??
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I strongly believe that natural AND medicinal actions should be taken.Keeping your body healthy, well rested and in shape will further allow any medication to work and do its job properly.
To those of you quoting Dr. Oz for advice, look deeper! Get informed! I trust my health care professionals and their 15 years of education and years of practice to be more informed than google or TV shows. This is a pandemic, not a weight loss trial. Think about how many Doctors and nurses around the world are encouraging the vaccine and outnumber those that don’t!
Healthy mind and body may even the most effective healing, but don’t think you know better than the hundreds of thousands of professionals who believe that a simple vaccine will help protect you, your family, and your community. I personally find it ignorant to believe that hand washing alone will keep you safe from any viruses! It is a step that should be taken along the way. Don’t be foolish, get informed!
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You say that hand washing would not keep you safe that is bull.. If you wash your hands or sanitize constantly the viruses don’t have a chance.. Here is a piece of an article that was put out today.. read it
The myth: Superbugs are resistant to handwashing and cleaning.
The truth: Washing your hands or using an alcohol-based hand rub will protect you from superbugs just as well as from other bacteria and viruses. Superbugs may be resistant to some antibiotics, making infections difficult to treat, but they are still susceptible to cleaning and are helpless against good hygiene.
Get informed and if you want to be a guinea pig then that is fine but there are a lot of doctors out there informing patients to not get this vaccine. IT is to new. What do you know about it and this is the first time that adjuvants have been approved to be used in a influenza vaccine so what does that say that we don’t know what is going to happen..
My family and I are not going to be guinea pigs and I have a 3 year old and a 1 year old and the only way to build their immune systems is to fight these things off it is the way god built us..
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Good luck with that!
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Hi all, just one comment regarding “Swine flu vaccine not containing Mercury”. Wrong, it does…Just check out on WHO website. It is contained within THIRAMISOL. Yes you’ve read it right. It is in this year’s flu vaccine.
Not getting it, thank you very much. My younger son (4) has suspected some form of autistic disorder (lingual skills) due to heavy metal poisoning (MMR vaccine containing it also). He is not getting it either. So now what should i do?!
Live long and prosper!!
All the best from Serbia
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@Betty
You’re an idiot!
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I agree with you. A good diet, excercise and lots of water does help and lessons the flu, colds etc. tremendously. Getting it soemtimes can’t be avoided but at least my own immune system has been buidling up great antibodies and having a healthy one as well makes the healing so much easier.
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I sure would not be trusting all those government websites listed above as the best source of info on the flu. They mostly reflect what the big drug companies tell them which may or may not be true.
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that’s really funny. you warn against blogs and this is a blog.
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I think this is hilarious. Informed…. not informed. I heard this and I heard that. Your decision people is a crap shoot. Take it..it might mess you up….don’t take it.. you or the one you love might live through it or die. hummm decisions….decisions. Its not being informed because all the information cannot be decipher to be true or false. It all comes down to rolling the dice and waiting for the body count. Blogs are such a great way of passing Bull.
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I have found that if I get the flu shot I WILL get the flu that year(and normally a very bad case of the flu). If I do NOT get the shot I do NOT get the flu even though I often work around people that have the flu.
I believe that if enough other people get the flu shot it just helps protect me more.
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Ditto that, I not only get I get very sick and am sick all winter long; October to February. I’ll develop bronchitis at least four times.
Kinda like smoking; quit years and years ago. I developed asthma which became severe and was using three inhalers and couldn’t get off Prednisone at all. My specialist told me I would be on it for life…I started smoking and was off cortisone is in a week and haven’t looked back. No asthma meds for me.
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That has to be the dumbest thing i have ever heard ! To start smoking to “cure” your asthma is worthy of internet ridicule. The whole world knows better & so should you, if your specialist tells you someting you dont agree with you can get another opinion that is the great thing about our country.
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Little touchy there George?
The whole world???…could be wrong; imagine that.
Even my Dr is surprised about the smoking, I was surprised myself but hey, it works for me.
And the specialist? I saw more than one.
What are your thoughts then on homeopaths and energy healing, etc.?
Do you have any faith in the power of the human mind? Maybe smoking works because I tell myself it does and the energy healing controls any symptoms I do have?
I see smoking as my lesser of two evils because I enjoy it and I didn’t enjoy the drugs.
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I stop smocking and I get diabet2.
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yup that’s long term consequence of smoking..diabetes!!
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one of the various factors that contribute to acquire diabetes..i must say
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So engaging in activity that will give you cancer is the lesser of two evils?? Yeah good luck with your forthcoming lung cancer.
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I know another reader said it was stupid to start smoking again to
cope with ‘asthmatic’ symptoms. It is stupid but I do understand
what this person said. I felt those symptoms when I quit smoking
too but I persevered thru them and they did go away after some months.
I would encourage this person to try again. Eventually, my lung
capacity increased dramatically so that I could ’sing’ like I never
could before (and actually scared myself because I wasn’t expecting
the sound to come out). Try again.
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I believe what your body was doing, was trying to detox and sometimes the detox is taken as asthma or a bad cold etc. How else can our body get rid of the toxins but to cough them out. The heavy metals are locked in on a cell level and when we stop smoking the body will natually shed these toxins, but we suppress the detox with drugs and inhalers which drive the toxins deeper into the cell thus giving us years of grief. The best way to rid your body of these heavy metals is not to keep smoking but to try a heavy metal homeopathic to detox them out of your body on an energetic level. Smokign is only masking the symptoms the same as the drugs were.
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you are lucky I smoked for years, had asurgery that cut nerve to me ear and my vocal chord I cough daily and take asthma meds to help. It tok a year of therapy to learn to swall,ow properly and to speak with an ok voice,
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OldTeddyBear, I agree with you…I used to get the flu shot and I would be fine all season…THEN…I would get so sick….I could barely stand up….no flu shots for me ever again….just good nutrition, cleanliness and good rest…..and if one starts to get sick….go to the Health food store and get a homeopathic anti-viril med. with ‘elderberry’ in it…the best thing to use and it works….
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A vaccine is not a drug or a chemical. It is an inactivated form of the disease causing agent or parts of it. A vaccine simply exposes your immune system to the inactivated form of the “bad guy” so that your own immune system can build and have ready antibodies that would attack the real bug – should you ever encounter it.
Too bad more people didn’t take biology in high school!
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I was getting Flu shots yearly. I am no longer able to recieve Flu shots because of a reaction to the so called safe preservative in the vaccine. That is the real headache of an accumulative effect over years, as a health care worker, of getting flu shots. The vaccine itself, is always the culprit.
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Sorry Mistake in last line.
The vacine is not always the culprit.
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I think you may have been right the first time.
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Actually, to give these vacccines a shelf life they put in “mercury”….sure don’t know how much of that I want shot into my body!? It takes a little more then high school biology to be properly informed. Everyone should educate themselves and then make the right choice for their own family.
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It is not actually mercury…it is a form of mercury…and there is less in the vaccine than you would find in a can of tuna…how many cans of tuna does the average person eat in a year?
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There may be less but how many cans of tuna are inserted into your muscle? That would be the difference. The mercury can cause muscle problems, and with a vaccine it is going into your arm. So honestly there is a big difference between eating it and having it injected into your arm.
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But I cant inject a can of tuna into my blood, or I will get sick and Die…huh why doesnt anyone look at it that way, the can of tuna sound byte is from the vaccine spokesperson Dr. Paul Offit, and if you dont think hes making millions right now yanking everyones chain with Tobacco science you had better go back to school and learn what the difference between digetestion, and direct introduction into blood..
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no, parts of the vaciine are not a chemical but the preservative is, and the adjuvant contains squalene oil which,when injected in the muscle, has been shown to cause immune mediated diseases such as lupus,MS and Reumatoid arthritis years later.
I am still confused about what to do. I am leaning on NOT vaccinating but I am so scared my young kids will get sick too. the media has created this fear and I HATE it!
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I like you Andrea are completely confused and scared. I signed the forms quickly to have my kids vaccinated and now I am having second thoughts. My husband won’t have it and I react to the normal flu shot. I don’t know what to do. The government is going to do what they are told by their advisers and the drug companies…..but the number don’t lie….people are dying.
If you really think about it, everything causes something, sun causes cancers, being in front of the computer screen, the foods and chemical sprays, the makeup you wear! We are not protected. That is why we have to make informed decisions and then live with them. The media can be scary……but so can dying.
CONFUSED!
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I so agree with you! I have a 3 months old baby and im so confused and reading websites makes me more confused and now im not sure if i should take it or not take it?
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If the vaccine is so “inactivated” why do people die from it? Your
answer is not a brilliant as you think.
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Unfortunately we are in a situation that requires true education to make an informed decision with little time to do the research. Yes people have reactions to some ingredients in vaccines – most especially those with egg proteins – and some of the other ingredients as well. The jury may still be out on the need for this vaccine but we do know that otherwise healthy, strong, well fed, well exercised young people are in intensive care and/or dying from H1N1 which is not the ‘norm’ death population from seasonal flu. Most people will get ‘flu’ symptoms and recover but there is no way to know if it will be your healthy teen/toddler that dies. A risk your willing to take? If you have a magic potion that you are so sure will protect your family please let others know so they can have the same confidence level when taking that risk.
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Wrong information – Not sure where your info is coming from.
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Actually her information is totally correct. Healthy athletes are coming down with H1N1. The reason this was made so quickly – only one virus had to be conjugated to make it instead of the usual 3 for the seasonal.
If you are going to take to heart all the “information” you are reading on the internet about the H1N1 vaccine, then you must also:
Stop consuming any products that contain aspartame – it converts to formaldehyde in you body, thousands of times more than you would be subjected to in one vaccine!
Wash all new clothing 5 times before wearing it – many clothing manufacturers have a formaldehyde formulation sprayed on the clothing prior to shipping, to help keep it’s shape during transport and display.
Stop eating canned tuna – now – Thimerosal is a different form of mercury than the mercury known to cause health problems. The amount in the H1N1 adjuvanted flu vaccine is much less than the daily limit recommended for environmental exposure to mercury. For example, there is significantly less mercury in the vaccine than you would find in a can of tuna fish (10 times more per can!).
Stop taking Vitamin E – if you are worried about the minute amount in the vaccine, then you shouldn’t be taking the vitamin supplement.
Stop eating canned foods, wheat products, spices, etc. (read those labels!) as many of them also contain MSG, gluten, sulfates, sorbitol, sucrose, sodium chloride, potassium chloride, and aluminum (check your ingredients, and there is aluminum in the can) in extremely higher concentrations than in the vaccine.
Oh, and while you’re at it, stop using deodorant, as most of them also contain aluminum!
Stop going for throat swabs and testing for any other bacterial infections! If you have an issue with the types of growth media they use to develop a vaccine, then you really don’t want to know what is in much of the media used to determine what type of bacteria you are suffering from and determining which antibiotic to use!
And while we are on antibiotics – you take antibiotics? Why then are you worried about there being antibiotics in the vaccine?
No more cosmetics or ice cream – Polysorbate 80 is also used in these.
Sodium deoxycholate – In nature, sodium deoxycholate, which is referred to as a “secondary bile acid”, is produced in the intestine from the salts of glycocholic and taurocholic acid (see cholic acid) by the action of bacterial enzymes. Less than half of the sodium deoxycholate is absorbed by the intestine and is returned the liver where it is conjugated and released into the gall bladder.
Squalene – The squalene adjuvant used by GSK has been “tested in approximately 45,000 people around the world and has been evaluated by Health Canada and other regulatory authorities. No significant safety concerns regarding the use of the adjuvanted vaccine were detected.”
Squalene is a naturally occurring substance found in plants, animals, and humans. It is manufactured in the liver of every human body and circulates in our bloodstream.
Squalene is also found in a variety of foods, cosmetics, over-the-counter medications, and health supplements.
Squalene is commercially extracted from fish oil, and in particular shark liver oil. Squalene used in pharmaceutical products and vaccines is purified from this source.
The Gulf War soldiers who “got sick” from the influenza shots they received…did not receive the vaccine with the adjuvant!!
Stop eating eggs! – Residual amounts of egg protein are in the vaccine, why? It is in the media used to propagate the virus. It is then washed away, hence, “residual” amounts may be remaining. Of course, if you have an allergy to eggs, you should discuss with your physician before receiving the vaccine.
So there you go, all you have to do is radically change your lifestyle because you are afraid of what is in 0.5mL of a vaccine you would receive.
Ask your pharmacist about every prescription and over-the-counter drug you use, you’ll be surprised at the possible side effects connected to them, and…yes…even deaths.
One person has “died” after receiving the vaccine however the death has still not been attributed to the vaccine, and it was not the same formulation being used in Canada.
Focal increases have been reported in the western part of Canada, meaning there are more confirmed cases daily (>50% of tested are positive for H1N1), with 94 deaths already in Canada alone, 12 in Alberta (up from 9 on Friday), 5000 worldwide (with only 22 countries reporting). In the last two weeks 20-25% of Albertans have contracted the flu, that’s 700,000-900,000 people!
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Thank you for that! I had decided to have my family get the shot but kept second guessing myself. The more you read the more confusing it gets. But after reading your post I am 100% sure its the right thing. I was thinking the same thing. Just not so specific. I can only imagine all the toxins we ingest everyday that are far worse then what is in the vaccine.
Bottom line, if I didn’t have my kids vaccinated and the worst happened ( Even if it is a small chance) I couldn’t live with myself!
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From where you copied this – some pharmaceutical site? I don’t usually get headaches from canned tuna.
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Very personal and very informational comment. I got the shot last weak. Apparently no complications. Myself. I would be going after reading this comment, if I didn’t already go.
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farzanneh, you are wrong: the gulf war veterans who got sick had the vaccines adjuvanted with squalene, 5 batches were “accidentally” made with it (that they admitted to), and 25% of 700,000 soldiers developed autoimmune related illnesses. this is why in 2004 the pentagon banned its use. more shocking is that health canada knowingly ordered 50 million doses of h1n1 vaccines conataining squalene anyway …. i am horrified and appalled, like i am watching a bad movie unravel around the world.
and the 45,000 test cases you mentioned? the results: after TWO WEEKS they showed “no noticeable negative effects”. if it wasn’t so scary it would be laughable. so that means it’s safe? and it’s NEVER BEEN TESTED ON PREGNANT WOMEN yet they’re giving it to pregnant women anyway…. irresponsible does not even begin to describe this … i daresay criminal. most autoimmune diseases like those related to squalene take months/years to show up. sadly, if you have gotten the shot, then you are now a test case. they are experimenting on YOU.
seriously, look up more info on squalene, you will be shocked.
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why do people die from the virus?
your thinking isn’t so swift. you just chose 2 options for yourself…
1) die from the vaccine
2) die from the virus.
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its all a crock of sh*t dead viruses can not strengthen your immune system only a live virus can do this by being killed by your immune system.
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Sorry – you have the wrong info – killed viruses have been used for a long time to bring about immune response – check your sources
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Steve,
You have a terrific point. I am so tired of all these people whining and making noise about “big, drug companies” and the “big, bad government.” Take a quick look at how the vaccine is made before you make comments about the safety of the vaccine.
Also take stock of the fact that you are endangering those around you who are unable to get the vaccination due to allergies or another valid reason. The selfish behavior of a few can affect multitudes and I certainly hope none of you are around my newborn child during this second wave.
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Thank you Steve. I too have a source a nurse .
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Along with the inactivated form of the disease, there are MANY other things added into the vaccine ~ such as thimerosal (to make it more potent), ethyl-mercury (preservative), etc. These are called adjuncts.
Yes, the mercury is in a different form and of a considered ’safe’ quantity…however, it is injected into your arm!!!!!
Please read before making statements.
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Steve…
While you are right that a vaccine is a wead or dead virus, it is the additives that are required to keep it stable that concerns people.. Chemistry would have been a good course too!
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Isnt this intra-nasal vaccine considered a live virus? Also wasnt the vaccine formulated in a “fast track” manner by-passing standard operating procedures for the processing of vaccines legally? Substances used in this vaccine are actually banned from legal vaccine production… The preservative Thimerosal was taken out of childhood vaccines because of a fear of causing autism but is used in the H1N1 vaccine. Also added squalene (can cause auto-immune diseases), thimerosal (mercury which destroys brain cells), formaldehyde, porcine gelatin (pig skin), and polyethylene glycol…
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You need to do your research on some of these substances. Thimerosal, which is a form of mercury) IS used in the vaccine. That being said, there is less mercury in the vaccine than in a can of tuna…something many of us eat regularly. Also, polyethylene glycol is an ingredient in many hand sanitizers. You need to look at how much of each of these is in the vaccine (miniscule amounts), and then research these as many of them are in products which we eat/use every day.
How quick we are to jump on a vaccine that is potentially life saving because it contains “unsafe” substances, yet many of us don’tpay attention to what the ingredients are in products that we buy every day.
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Oh Yes I pay attention to what I buy, that is why I only go around the perimter of the store and not down the middle isles.
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Heather – you are not wrong but how many of the things you eat do you inject directly into your bloodstream – bypassin all of the body’s normal protection?
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Well I hope that all people don’t think like Jon, or others that I hear speaking, about the thimerosal taken out of childhood vaccines that’s not always true, I have a grand son with autism, would i wont him to recieve the H1N1 yes i would he’s five years old an a genuis maybe he be a person that can help others down the road with other vaccines, living on a
First Nation Reserve i sure hope other parents an grand parents think it’s better to recive the vaccine, i remember my grandparents talking about when the smallpox wiped out many of our people, wish they had a choice back then, I had a young 33 year old brother that died with influenza A in 2003 , i sure wish he taken the flu vaccine he left 3 beatifull children . So will my family recieve the the shot u bet..So every one needs to think for them selfs let the good lord do the rest.
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Was there other health challenges? I find it so hard to believe anyone can die of this disease in this day and age. Was he a healthy eater? Did he take his vitamins regularly? These are all questions that come to my mind when I hear a healthy male dies of influenza.
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Our Family has decided not to get the vaccine.
Why? It is a known fact that the antibodies created in the manner Steve speaks of can attack the spinal cord and create paralysis, also agonizing pain no drug can touch. This is not a theory, but a suffered reality for many people. People have laughed at this, but CBC radio ran a story earlier this season, in the morning talking about who will be liable if paralytic events occur as a result of the vaccine. The drug companies are not to be held responsible, no one may sue, the government will be liable. But that is only you can prove the flu shot caused the problem. So far no one has been able to prove that.
Who knows what will result in the future. There are terrible diseases that result when the bodies immune system gets out of whack and attacks itself, like MS.
So we will be being careful daily. We have taken a homeopathic flu vaccine orally; we have stocked up on listerine to gargle with, since the virus has to survive in the throat to multiply for 2 to 3 days; We will be taking vitamin C and D; Remembering to keep our hands off our face; washing our hands with the alcohol rub and/or soap and water; using our Netti Pots daily to clean our sinus passages with salt water; and drinking warm liquids like tea to wash the virus from the throat into the stomach where they can do no harm. I will be avoiding crowds if things get tough.
If we do get sick, I will thank the brave souls like Kim who work in health care, have had the vaccine, and will care for us if worse comes to worse.
I am glad I do not have young children to decide for. My own son is 14 and he has decided not to have the vaccine. Like other risks he decides to take in life, this is one more.
We have never taken the flu vaccine, knowing first hand of a person who died as a result of a paralytic event as it is called. We also, knock on wood, have never had the flu for years. My mother, a nurse in the days before many preventative measures, swears by gargling with Listerine.
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Theresa,
Well Said!!
I couldn’t have said it better myself.
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Thanks for the listerine tip.
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Ditto, good job Theresa
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That was a good tip on Listerine.
I agree with your assessment on the vaccine. I have fibromyalgia and my daughter does too, but now with vitamins and herbs, the fibromyalgia and IBS is under control.
I also use Elderberry extract, vit. D, Yerbe Mate tea (which is very high in antioxidents).
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My family will not be receiving it either…my son already had a terrible flu (H1N1??) a couple of weeks ago, so hopefully he has built up some immunity..we are all taking multi vitamins, vit d and c, getting to bed early every night, watching what we eat and exercising and we just started with the Listerine. I am prone to sinus infections so I am using my sinus rinse daily, and have recently started taking Red Reishi Mushroom capsules. I urge you to do some research on this wonderful product. I have had a seasonal flu shot every year for years but will not get that one this year. I also believe the key to staying well is lowering our stress levels…so take a deep breath and try not to get too caught up in this controversy because it is just creating unneccesary stress for everyone! And everyone wash your hands and sneeze and cough into your elbows! I was travelling the other day and was mortified by all the people I saw hacking right into their hands and then rubbing their faces etc., not to mention touching everything around them and then on the plane. GROSS!!
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Although I agree that common sense and doing certain things can help, there is absolutely no evidence suggesting that gargling with Listerine can actually help. In fact, I was forwarded an email with this info asking me to pass it on to 10 more people just like all the other crap that floats around on the net. Snopes has debunked this to ….http://www.snopes.com/medical/swineflu/prevent.asp
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Theresa……or you cold just get the shot and try to remember all the things on your todo list hour by hour and day by day, weekly etc. Its just plain foolish to think that a homeopathic charged immune system will save the day. At best your regimen might reduce symptoms but at worst it might just lay you on your back permanently. I will take the odds on this one and let the scientists do their work. There has to be a reason we don’t have polio, tuberculoses, small pox,measles etc., etc., as prevalent as it once was. That same scientific community fifty years ago is now even more educated,resourceful and educated but suddenly not valid….??? The smart money is on the vaccine not garlic and mashed potatoes.
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Why is it that in North America we are all about vaccines and yet in other countries such as Germany or China or Japan we are all about homopathic medicines. All the baby boomers grew up without the vaccines and are a lot stronger than most of our young people. Let us think about that.
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They are rolling out the vaccine in Germany, China and Japan as well.
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As a baby boomer I can tell you we did not grow up without vaccines! We were vaccinated for the deadly viruses at the time as well as those that caused life disabilities such a deafness (measles) and birth defects (german measels)in pregnant women; infertility (mumps) in adult males; disfugurement and death (small pox) disability and death (polio); my whole neighborhood was quarantined when I was young because of polio and I went to school with quite a few kids (whose parents didn’t vaccinate)and helped them with their crutches and wheelchairs!) A good friend was deaf from measles and her twin sister died from measles complicatons. We are forgetting the devastation caused by these illnesses because we have been relatively free of them for so long – thanks to vaccination programs.
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Wasn’t planning on responding to any posts, rather was just reading them, but then I saw this one about those she knew who had adverse reactions to mumps, measles etc.
Before I was of the age of 5 I had contracted measles, mumps and rubella(G Measles) I came out fine from that.
I have never had a flu shot, have also never had the flu even though I worked in the school system for many years around children who were sick, as well as not.
I now have Fibro, arthritis, and a few other conditions. I still do not intend to get an H1N1 shot. Other then living in constant pain, discomfort and fatigued I’m other wise health(not sick)
I too feel this was rushed through without proper studies on this vaccine, but rather trusting the results of another. There is also some of the results of the last “swine flu” vaccines to consider. And that the CDC itself considers it possible that a percentage of those that receive this vaccine will end up with the same neurological condition. (I’ll pass on that chance)
Since working in the school system teaching I have learned to keep my hands away from my face and to wash my hands often, to the point of very dry hands in the winter. I do take various vitamins, some mentioned here already, plus others.
The issue of course is my daughter. Do I or don’t I. I teach her what I know already, and have had her on vitamins for years, it’s kept her healthy even though friends and others in her High school have been sick.
I feel she is now old enough to decided for herself, as is her older no longer living at home sister.
I guess much like the big SARS thing we in Toronto lived under, the media is going crazy with hyping this into a bigger frenzy then I believe it should be. I just wonder why, did they learn what it did when they did that with SARS?
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I won’t speak for Germany or Japan, but here is a direct quote from the China Daily newspaper:
Starting in late September, China has so far vaccinated more than 300,000 people on the mainland against the A/H1N1 pandemic flu and is now gearing up the free vaccination program to be available nationwide.
So, yes, they are into homeopathic medicine but they are also smart enough to realize that traditional medicine has it’s place too.
While your body can build up natural defences against bacteria through healthy living, eating, and some herbal remedies…Virus’s are different beasts. The only way to build an immunity to a virus is to contract it and live throug it, or be immunized against it. They are not discriminate, they attack healthy people just as savagely as compromised people. Healthy people are dying from it, some compromised people are surviving! I have searched the internet for the past three weeks and found no deaths attributed to the H1N1 or Seasonal vaccines in the last three years. There were deaths attributed to it in 1976…but we’ve come a long way technologically in the last 33 years! And for all of you who don’t like to put things into your bodies…I hope you are all non-smokers and non-drinkers…two of the biggest killers in our society today!
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I agree with you Dr. Yes, I also believe that Teresa’s to-do-list would be most helpful for the body to build its immunity to the virus with the least amount of side effects and also help fight off other viruses.
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I also recived all Teresa’s hints through E-mail. One thing it forgot to mention is that your eyes are your number one portal of entry so if someone sneezes in your direction all your percautions are for nill. This virus is dangerous to the healthy because part of it’s genetic makeup causes an overstimulation of the immune system causing a cytokine storm damaging the lung tissue. They think that this is why it seem to be effecting young people the most. Their immune systems are mounting a too strong and damaging response. Right now this virus can be treated with anti virals but if it mutates we could be in serious trouble. We have already had a case of tamaflu resistant H1N1 in Hamilton. A number of infectious have been eradicated thanks to vaccination. If small pox was in circulation would you not want vaccinated?
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The way I understand it small pox and diptheria came because of uncleanliness. With our water supply and flushing toliets, I believe that is why it is eliminated in North america. Third world countries still have the disease, so it still is on this earth.
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While transmission of smallpox and diptheria may have been increased by unsanitary conditions (similar to the common cold, influenza), is it possible that the real reason these third world countries still are afflicted with these viruses might be that they are not vaccinated? Seems logical, or am I just stating the obvious.
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Sorry you are wrong on this one. We were not unclean or unsanitary in our living when these virises circulated. Sanitiation is always important and the third world is suffering terribly because of all their circumstances including starvation,subsistence living and lack of sanitation and medical knowledge and care but the world has come very close to eradicating these diseases by vaccination programs – not sanitiation alone. Areas that are very unclean have had these diseases almost eliminated without the wonderful benefits of improved living conditions.
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Our family has not and never will accept vaccinations. This whole episode appears to be just a big marketing blitz by the pharmaceutical industry who continue to suck billions of dollars out of the world economies using fear and guilt as its spokesman. The manufacturers of this stuff have no apparent culpability, have not demonstrated reliable safety standards on its use and the doctors, here in Alberta, are receiving $518/hr to pump it out. The government (on all levels), the medical establishment, the pharmaceutical industry and all of the related spokesman have no credibility. It is nice to see people taking charge of their lives, challenging everything they are told and resisting the barrage of terror and guilt. Indeed the headlines have it right – This is a multibillion dollar windfall for the pharmaceutical industry. Shame on the governments for falling for it, for not standing up for its citizens, and for funding this sick joke on the back of taxpayers.
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dave man,when will people see the truth.excellent comment.somewhere along the way people have lost there common sense.
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My thoughts exactly. Doctors and pharmaceutical companies thrive on each other. There may be a few who honestly believe they are helping, but I have yet to see it. I have a nurse friend who takes a flu shot every year and for at least a month or so she misses work. Can you figure that one out?
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I’ve had the flu shot every year for 5 years now, haven’t missed a day of work. I’m a Medical Laboratory Technologist in a large hospital, most staff in my department receive the shots, there have been no adverse reactions or illnesses related to influenza or the shots. I would hazard a guess that for every person who claims the shot made them sick there are hundreds that can claim that it didn’t. I would also hazard a guess that there is a reverse placebo effect happening with those who are getting sick from the shot…after all that is all the media is preaching…that it is unsafe and will make you sick.
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I’m just wandering why they tell us there is a total safe and effective vaccine when I’m listening at this present moment that there is a lot of research company seeking for testers (paying them) for their own experimental h1n1 vaccine (yeah, at this present moment, when everything is supposely tested and approved).
Whatever the lobby dudes tell me, I can say with certitude that DIFFERENT vaccines exist, and as far as I know, this virus can mutate like any flu one does, SO ARE YOU GONNA VACCINE YOURSELF EACH YEAR and for all the type of MUTATION?
Well, another thing that I would like to elucidate: How come this thing happened exactly at a point where some Pharmaceutical companies where about to close their doors….
Always the same: LOBBY!!!!!! They told us they want to help us, but it’s never free, NEVER!
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When was the last time the government told the truth about anything?
My cousin has 2 children under 10 with cystic fybrosis and their doc told her NO to the vaccine.
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Isn’t it ironic that the H1N1 becomes a ‘national emergency’ 2 days before the vaccine is ready and shots are to begin?
Big drug companies and government are in bed together, hosing taxpayers of their money.
No shots for my family.
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So maybe we should just make people put their money where their mouths are. If they want to take the risk of not getting government offered vacinations then maybe they should have to pay the bill if or when they do get sick, minors would be exempt. Simple, straight forward and fair, IF, as an adult, you want to take the risk, then you PAY for the expensive medical treatment NOT the Government. I am sick to death of people taking risks on my money not their own and behaving like kids instead of adults. So be an adult, make your choice, and accept the consequences of your actions.
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I agree with your point Brad, and would also take it a step
further and say those who want vaccinations should pay for those
themselves as well.
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What if the bill was for those who got vaccinated and got sick from the vaccine??? Would you make them pay as well??Shame on you for judging freedom of choice.
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Hey Brad great idea. As long as all the vaccinated people agree to pay for their health care if they get the flu shot and get sick.. Check the sat’s man. More vaccinated people get ill than not. They argue that the vaccinated people would have been sicker with out. Very convenient I say. Let think bigger, all the overweight, coffee drinking, smoking, alcoholic consuming people should also play your dangerous game. The cost to our healthcare system is ten fold from theses categories compared to a flu “SCAMDEMIC” My guess you’re in one of theses categories, unless you walk on water. Are you an American?
Second point from earlier email. Children must be vaccinated to enter school. Simply not true. Just fill out a form and make an informed choice. All my 4 kids have never been vaccinated the last one is just in high school now. Gee how did that happen? Why do the vaccinated people worry so much for me? All their love I guess.
Greg
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if it’s a money issue then, brad, i actually feel sick to know that taxpayer money (mine included) is going toward injecting poisonous chemicals into the arms of my beloved fellow canadians.
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I find it interesting how the blogger says only government agencies are valid (those who promote vaccinations), and then at the end of the article slips in the fact that her family is not getting vaccinated.
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I am an Ont.-doctor & have Asthma; I will get my shot on Monday. I suggest you get your children vaccinated as a 9 or 10 yr old just died in eastern ontario of this. I’ve seen 35 to 45 cases already, not in a big practice, most not too ill (but FEEL miserable) or already-improving; the sickest are kids with Asthma : GET ALL KIDS UNDER FIVE WITH ASTHMA VACCINATED ! NEXT WEEK ! Call your health Unit Monday, for the earliest date. Really sick, fast-breathing kids with fever should be treated with Tamiflu by 48 to 60 hrs into the fever. Don’t say you weren’t warned, or were sure “vitamins & sleep” would save you. (NOTE: in Ontario, intelligent youth over age 12 can choose health-care for themselves; and I hope some real smart 14 year-old who spends a week in hospital & recovers, SUES his stupid parents for forbidding that he get the shot.)
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You hope a child sues his stupid parent(s) for not vaccinating if he/she gets sick and recovers?
What about children who become ill from the vaccination?
Who will advocate for them? If they recover, should they sue their parent(s0?
No one can for any child who may die from the complications this “precaution” may cause.
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Yes! That is the answer…SUE your parents! Wow, a genius
suggestion! Must have taken those 7 years of schooling to come
up with that one.
1. Promote fear.
2. Equate “health-care” with “vaccination”.
3. Call anyone who doesn’t equate health-care with vaccination
“stupid”.
4. If that doesn’t work, get the kids to sue their parents!
We need more “Dr’s” like that!
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There has been NOBODY die from the vaccine; There was big investigation into one child’s death in England, shortly after having the shot, and autopsy showed that she had a rare cancerous Tumour invading her heart, so she was about to die anyway. Conversely, about 1000 people have died in the U.S.from new Flu, in ontario the dead include a 14 year old in Barrie area, and a younger girl in Eastern ontario. My son-in-law is a Respiratory Therapist in a city hospital, and they have had several young adults in ICU. I tell you, children have a RIGHT to get this immunization; & insist they be treated with a high fever & painful cough. Either that, or home-school your child until January; this Flu is already rampant in the schools. Or if your kid ends up on a ventilator …hey, I warned you.
Or, possibly the President is also stupid for declaring a State of Emergency.
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I personally don’t know if there have been any H1N1 vaccination related deaths, but the one referred to in the post by “Dr. Sue” is referring to an hpv vaccination…not H1N1. That doesn’t mean I’m promoting vaccination; I just want to make sure that people aren’t basing their decisions on false information. I personally will not be getting vaccinated.
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Great advice Dr. Sue…….you’ve given your professional advice – that’s all you can do.
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You should really check into the stats from the 1976 Swine Flu epidemic. MANY people died immediately after receiving the vaccine ~ and hundreds of thousands had severe medical problems as a result. This is a new vaccine because obviously that one wasn’t worthy! How do we trust this one? A real doctor would not make such uneducated statements.
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I have Crohn’s disease, and am currently taking Humira injections weekly, which lowers my immune system. I am not sure if getting this vaccination will make my condition worse. I certainly don’t want to get the flu, because my immune system is already out of whack.
I also have an 11 year old, who usually gets the seasonal flu vaccine because I am considered high risk.
If the new vaccine contains a “live” component, I cannot take it anyway.
So to vaccinate or not to vaccinate? That is the question.
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Dear Confused,
I agree with you. I have a daughter(she’s 11)who has Type 1 Diabetes and have been told by our diabetic team that she should definately get the H1N1 shot. What do we do now? I am totally confused as to whether or not to get it for her and then what do the rest of my family do? Do we get it as well? I just don’t understand how we are to know what to do. Because Diabetes is an autoimmune disease she is at risk and the rest of us don’t want to be the one to bring it into the house. So now all you people that aren’t getting it, what am I suppose to do? I could use all the HELPFUL advice that I can get!!!!
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There is no live component in the vaccine.
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Thats a pretty personal attack there Dr Sue – how do you explain an specialist in infectious disease on CBS saying he will not be vaccinating himself nor his children for this flu then Dr?
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Do you have that docs name from CBC? I’d like to google him.
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Can we sue you when he or she dies from a reaction from the shot. As a doc you know very well this happens even if in limited numbers. Just like to keep the playing field level.
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Just curious, if you have had 35 to 45 patients who have had this, by your own comments they are doing ok, not in any hospitals, dying but rather getting better.
So it sounds like in your own practice 100 percent survived.
The following makes no sense.
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If that 14 year old can choose health care for themselves, how can they then sue a parent for not allowing them to get a shot?
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Thanks but no thanks, I’ll take my chances, with all the crap and chemicals that are ingested in day to day living, I don’t need anymore crap that I am already taking, and yes I do eat healthy.
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I’ve read through all these comments and cannot help but shake my head. For those of you that don’t believe in vaccinations: did your parents refuse the polio vaccinations when you were young (obviously targeting a specific age group here when these vaccines were give at schools). As one writer said, measles, mumps etc were almost eradicated but are on the rise again? Is that because we have such an influx of immigrants from countries that don’t have vaccines for these diseases and so are bringing in a new strain (and before anyone slams me for being phobic @ immigrants, I’m not. I know from reading medical reports that this is a valid concern, and not a new one either!) Kids already here that aren’t vaccinated run the risk of getting these diseases and they aren’t very pretty and in some cases can be downright dangerous. Why would you want to take that risk?
I absolutely agree that proper hand-washing is the #1 important thing to do but honestly, how many of you spend 15-20 seconds each time with soap & scrubbing your hands? Every time you sneeze, cough, run your hands over your face, shake hands with someone, prepare food? And can you be absolutely sure that your children, especially the young ones and those at school follow these procedures rigoursly? Hand sanitizers are nice but short-lived in usefulness. Washrooms…can I tell you how many times I’ve been in eating establishments, some quite expensive where women have walked in to the washroom, finished what they needed to do and then walked right out again, WITHOUT any hand washing at all. That door handle is now contaminated with some very nasty germs and every person that uses that door will carry it forward. If she had the flu…another layer of threat.
I work in the food industry, my sister is a critical care nurse. We both are concerned and appreciate the seriousness of this flu bug. For those of you who say you’ll take your chances: thank you for the possibility if not likelihood of passing it on to others, and if you do get ill for the time & cost you impose on the already straining health care system that will have to take care of you.
We are a global community and while you may think this isn’t a big deal there will be something more dangerous come along. How many of you remember the influenza epidemic in the early 1900s and how many hundreds of thousands died. If this turns in to a high-mortality flu event, will that convince you?
Short of staying home until this risk is over, probably after the New Year, you aren’t immune to exposure. Take care of yourselves, your children and remember that you are also a citizen of a much larger community than ever before!
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Jan – Australia is just coming out of their winter (flu season) and there was nothing more than the normal amount of flu and actually even fewer deaths to the flu so why do you keep believing in this ‘pandemic”? What is the government really trying to foist on us with this misinformation?
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You are correct. Thats why I termed it “SCAMDEMIC”
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Strange you say that, last time I checked the internet, Australia got his quite hard.
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“pandemic” is not used to describe the severity of disease, just how many people are becoming sick AND where (i.e. # of continents).
in 1918-1919 we had a pandemic – 20-50 million people died. I don’t think we’ll see that today because the diesease is less severe. Although, coincidentally, it is the same strain from 1918 (H1N1).
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I appreciate your comments, but we cannot possibly “full-proof” how whole society.
Several years ago people were vaccinated with Tamiflu and now people are getting two flu shots- next year it will be three flu shots, because another type of flu will emerge. Look at the problem of antibiotics- parents were constantly given these medications for all kinds of sicknesses and now their immune systems are shot.
My dad was on 14 different meds. before he died and I know these meds. overloaded his system. We have become so dependent on meds. and vaccines that our bodies are going through a massive overload on the system. We probaly can’t fight this virus because of the continual use of other meds. (like antibiotics) and our bodies can’t fight with its own antibodies NORMALLY. Many viruses are fought better if we can fight them on our own- our bodies become stronger when we are able to fight it on our own. We also need to stop eating junk, drink water, and excercise to fortify internal bodily system.
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I couldn’t agree more. I have never seen so many antibiotics dependant children than in the last 6 – 8 years and it is getting worst all over the world. I stopped using antibiotics for kidney infections in 1996 and used cranberry capsules, guess what, I haven’t had a kidney infection since but stopped taking cranberry capsules in 1998. My youngest child had one inner ear infection after another a few years ago in Europe, on one holiday in Italy she suffered from it again even though she just finished one session of antibiotics. We had found a doctor that was a specialist and told us that she was almost deaf on one ear, what a shock. She had her adenoids removed and did not have ANY more problems since. I believe in getting advice from our family doctor and he/she knows that I do not like to resort to medication quickly. I am not a medical professional but am worried about flu shots in general because they admitted last year that some flu vaccinations didn’t hit the strains that make people sick. How do I know if the vaccination for the H1N1 will work?
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Tamiflu is not a vaccination, it is an anti-viral medication given if you have flu symptoms. And antibiotics are ineffective to viruses, (always have been otherwise we could cure the common cold virus), they only work on bacterial infections.
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I am sorry but in the ” 3rd world” which is where I am from we got the usual vaccines polio etc. at birth and I have my kids health cards from over 20 years ago to prove it.
The problem is with the Canadian health care system as it is. Large scale fraud and mismanagement by the GOVERNMENT ( i.e. the party is power does not matter who it is and whether its City/provincial/federal) we have seen and heard of these frauds in the newspaper. Government is big business in the West in general. Some of us have not needed to see a doctor in years because we take care of our health. We use Homeopathic and home cures ( yes Grandma’s recipes too). Indians and Africans have used them for thousands of years because medicine is not cheap back home.Not to mention that Western drug companies are using the 3rd world is ways one would rather not discuss.
We have however sat for over 10 hours in emergency with kids and you ask yourself ” R U in the 3rd world or what” ? This is not new, Canadians need to stop being complacent and should speak out against the excesses and theft in Government yes therein lies the problem. They dont pay medical staff enough then you hear ehealth uses a billion dollars of your tax money to pay its friends and relatives. In my opinion any one who works in the hospital must be paid twice what a similar position would earn outside. e.g. a cleaner gets $ 15K in the private sector must earn $30K. Imagine the risks of working there. I have had very bad experiences in the hospitals here for my kids because of the Government’s inaction. Yet I blame the medical staff because this is an age old problem so why do they enter into it if they are going to be on a permanent ” go slow” because of the Governments inability to get the system right ?
Remember the Government will tell you anything because if they are sued by you and you win it is your money they will be paying you with or should I say ” our money”. The tax dollars are a free supply of money to government and hence they are so lax when spending it. When fraud is detected make the culprits pay back what they have ” earned”. Restitution should be part of the punishment and as well some jail time because there is no deterrent in the law currently for ” fraud over $5000″ other than a small fine. So you steal plenty, pay the fine and have a good life after.
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Funny you mention how in 3rd world countries you use home remedies…bad example as most of these countries have the shortest lifespans on earth…say what you want about western medicine but it increases the human lifespan…something eastern medicine has not been able to do so far in the past few thousand years…
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Japan is an eastern country, with several eastern medicines, like shiatsu, and Japanese have the longest lifespan on the planet.
You fail.
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You are a true idiot.
Passing it on to you?
Please. Did you know that when they inject you with the vaccine that they are INFACT putting a live virus in your arm???
So during your incubation time of 21 days, it is YOU PEOPLE that are passing it off to the rest of us.
You actually trust our govt in protection us? are u for real??
Please….I only got the flu shot once back in 2002 ( because I worked in a nursing home for a short while) and I was never so sick in my life. I had the flu back to back 3 times!!
I don’t blame the doctor’s as they are only as good as what information they received from the Health Dpet.
I blame the health organization- which is the richest in the world….KKKK-Ching.
Why don’t you watch some documentaries- like I did, where the parents begged viewers not to vaccine their kids….as theirs ended up with Autism, seizures etc.. but I guess that’s just in the family genes right??
Don’t talk about topics you know nothing of.
I have spent hours and hours of time researching them..so I KNOW what it is I am talking about.
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My cousin worked with inner city seniors last winter. She was never so sick in her life either – flu, norovirus, etc. (I don’t know if she got a flu shot)
Seniors (long term care, inner city, or not) are at higher risk of disease. Maybe this is why you got so sick?
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Don’t talk about topoics you know nothing of????? There is no live virus in the vaccine! I don’t know where you are researching, but your information is wrong om this one.
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are you insane????? Live Itranasal vaccine!!!! Straight from the CDC fact sheet even the shot has a (inactive virus) with thimerosal to preserve it. The CDC has even set up a Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. They might poison my son but hey I wont have to worry about money to treat him…..
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There actually isn’t a live virus in the vaccine given in Canada. Check the immunization facts sheet on http://www.4flu.ca
Get your facts straight.
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if you are from canada there is NO program to financially compensate you if you suffer a vaccine injury /illness, although there is one in the states …..
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i love that you say you watched tons of documentaries and this qualifies you.
do you also believe the world is out to get you? vaccines have been proven to be effective for over 100 years and have saved so many lives.
the vaccines did not cause autism or seizures. unless you can prove otherwise, stop feeding false information because you believe this is a conspiracy theory.
i have an autoimmune disease and i am perfectly healthy. i run everyday, eat healthy and wash my hands. i get my flu shots each year. they did not give me Lupus. i am getting the H1N1 vaccine to protect myself and my community.
think again about what you say and stop trying to come off like a big shot.
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You really are an ignorant ass…learn your facts before printing such rubish…your ignorance can kill…
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how uninformed can you be! you should learn about experiments and those responsible for releasing all these viruses in the atmosphere, most times without having prepared the antidote prior.. why would you blame it on immigrants? have you ever tried to immigrate? do you have any idea how many medical requirements a person that wants to immigrate has to get done? the system wants us ill either through viruses, or vaccines, or both.. there is a plan for all of us.. i won’t get vaccinated, nor will my son!
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that is a load of crap.
if you think the government is out to get immigrants, then how do you explain them pushing the rest of the population to get them?
it’s good to think critically, but think twice before you come off sounding foolish.
no one is discriminating culture or race
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What of those of us who cannot take the flu shot? I received a flu shot (not my first & I am not allergic to eggs) 5 years ago and suffered a near fatal reaction. I spent 8 days in the hospital recovering. I was LUCKY!! I will take the extra precautions, perhaps as far as gloves and mask in public. But I will not be getting the flu shot or the H1N1 shot. If you are sick PLEASE STAY HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I agree completely!
When I was “ordered” to take meningitis vaccine , I was in Hospital for two weeks part of that in a coma.
I almost died.
OOps sorry does Not Cover It!!
The Pharms can keep their Poison
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Chris i dont think you were in a coma for crying ouy loud for a stupid vaccine i think your trying to make people scared the pharms should serve you nothing !
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According to DR. Sue above you should sue. See where thats gets us.
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We have free health care in Canada – can’t sue.
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Of late, I’ve been on the look out for all the pros and cons on the H1N1 vaccination. And I mean a lot of it. I’ve read many well informed articles from Doctors on both sides, and from individuals who know what they’re saying. But, you know what! I haven’t heard or read anything from our own Members of Parliament. I am damn sure they’re afraid to say anything negative about the H1N1 flu vaccination. I wonder why?
My honest to goodness opinion towards this is: if this is truly a pandemic, many will die from it whether or not you take the shot. Research has come a long long ways in my 67 years on this planet. But, I just don’t buy this one yet. I am as healthy as I could ever be, because I know what it takes to get there. Please, Mr. Prime Minister don’t just buy something you know very little about and give it to your countryman.
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He has no alternative… apparently he too is in on this …so I hear/read..
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what do they care,they all recieved the mercury and squalene free vaccine anyway.
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I’m too tossed on this issue right now so have decided not to get either the flu or H1N1 shot at this time. I never had a flu shot until 1999 and only had the flu once prior to that. Working in health care, I continued to have the flu shot until this year. As of 2001, I have suffered from several auto-immune disorders, pneumonia, and infections. When antibiotics never totally cleared up the infections and they kept coming back, I decided to try herbal medicines. Viola! So I’ve decided to stick with the herbal stuff.
One other point. If you are one to go shopping, remember to take hand wipes with you. Just think, everything you touch…someone else has touched! Make sure to use the wipes before you eat anything, and especially after you leave the store. You may also want to wipe the hand-bar of the shopping cart before you use it.
Believe it or not, I work in the financial side of health care and I cannot believe how many of my co-workers don’t wash their hands after going to the washroom. Not a nice thought when everyone uses the equipment (both in the office and the kitchen) and are handling communal papers. YUCK!
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