Comments on: Sitting in the airport, looking for a laptop to steal http://www.sync-blog.com/sync/2008/09/sitting-in-the.html Thu, 09 Feb 2012 02:36:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Glen Bazov http://www.sync-blog.com/sync/2008/09/sitting-in-the.html/comment-page-1#comment-11074 Glen Bazov Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:02:53 +0000 http://sync.ymbn.net/sync/2008/09/sitting-in-the.html#comment-11074 <p>Dear Peter,</p> <p>If you read the criminal code carefully, you will note that the thief's intetion does not matter much, so long as you intend to take property from a lawful owner, even if temporarily. If they teach us something at law school, it is how to interpret statutes. Your analogies, while compelling to common sense, are without much merit at law. Sorry for the late reply,</p> <p>Best,</p> <p>Glen</p> Dear Peter,

If you read the criminal code carefully, you will note that the thief's intetion does not matter much, so long as you intend to take property from a lawful owner, even if temporarily. If they teach us something at law school, it is how to interpret statutes. Your analogies, while compelling to common sense, are without much merit at law. Sorry for the late reply,

Best,

Glen

]]> By: Peter Wolchak http://www.sync-blog.com/sync/2008/09/sitting-in-the.html/comment-page-1#comment-11073 Peter Wolchak Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:13:28 +0000 http://sync.ymbn.net/sync/2008/09/sitting-in-the.html#comment-11073 <p>If I understand Gleb correctly, he is objecting to the fact that this police officer stole laptops. If it wasn't clear from my statement that he would stand around with other cops and wait to see how long it took the owner to notice, I'll just state the following now: his actions were a) undertaken as a public service, in the same way that police will sometimes pull drivers over in order to issue a warning about their driving, and b) conducted with the full knowledge of and approval by his superiors.<br /> If by quoting the criminal code you are suggested that he acted unlawfully, that is simply incorrect. Perhaps I should have added: "Of course, he and the other police officers did not keep the property, but instead returned it to the owners and explained how they could safeguard their property in the future."<br /> Peter</p> If I understand Gleb correctly, he is objecting to the fact that this police officer stole laptops. If it wasn't clear from my statement that he would stand around with other cops and wait to see how long it took the owner to notice, I'll just state the following now: his actions were a) undertaken as a public service, in the same way that police will sometimes pull drivers over in order to issue a warning about their driving, and b) conducted with the full knowledge of and approval by his superiors.
If by quoting the criminal code you are suggested that he acted unlawfully, that is simply incorrect. Perhaps I should have added: "Of course, he and the other police officers did not keep the property, but instead returned it to the owners and explained how they could safeguard their property in the future."
Peter

]]> By: Marty http://www.sync-blog.com/sync/2008/09/sitting-in-the.html/comment-page-1#comment-11072 Marty Fri, 19 Sep 2008 23:11:18 +0000 http://sync.ymbn.net/sync/2008/09/sitting-in-the.html#comment-11072 <p>It's all very interesting about stealing laptops and all but the important question is: why is Kansas pronounced "can-zas" but Arkansas is pronounced "are-can-saw"?</p> It's all very interesting about stealing laptops and all but the important question is: why is Kansas pronounced "can-zas" but Arkansas is pronounced "are-can-saw"?

]]> By: pecopete http://www.sync-blog.com/sync/2008/09/sitting-in-the.html/comment-page-1#comment-11071 pecopete Fri, 19 Sep 2008 22:52:44 +0000 http://sync.ymbn.net/sync/2008/09/sitting-in-the.html#comment-11071 <p>great u just created at least 100 new criminals .................y is this news</p> great u just created at least 100 new criminals ……………..y is this news

]]> By: Gleb Bazov http://www.sync-blog.com/sync/2008/09/sitting-in-the.html/comment-page-1#comment-11070 Gleb Bazov Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:49:16 +0000 http://sync.ymbn.net/sync/2008/09/sitting-in-the.html#comment-11070 <p>Interesting how the authority imported with the word "cop" seems to be enough to forgive what is otherwise an criminal code offence - theft under (or over) $5,000. You would do a an even greater service to community if you make a police report with respect to your buddy the cop.</p> <p>Theft</p> <p>322. (1) Every one commits theft who fraudulently and without colour of right takes, or fraudulently and without colour of right converts to his use or to the use of another person, anything, whether animate or inanimate, with intent </p> <p>(a) to deprive, temporarily or absolutely, the owner of it, or a person who has a special property or interest in it, of the thing or of his property or interest in it</p> <p>Time when theft completed</p> <p>(2) A person commits theft when, with intent to steal anything, he moves it or causes it to move or to be moved, or begins to cause it to become movable.</p> <p>Purpose of taking</p> <p>(4) For the purposes of this Act, the question whether anything that is converted is taken for the purpose of conversion, or whether it is, at the time it is converted, in the lawful possession of the person who converts it is not material.</p> <p>Punishment for theft</p> <p>334. Except where otherwise provided by law, every one who commits theft </p> <p>(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years, where the property stolen is a testamentary instrument or the value of what is stolen exceeds five thousand dollars; or</p> <p>(b) is guilty </p> <p>(i) of an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years, or</p> <p>(ii) of an offence punishable on summary conviction,</p> <p>where the value of what is stolen does not exceed five thousand dollars.</p> Interesting how the authority imported with the word "cop" seems to be enough to forgive what is otherwise an criminal code offence – theft under (or over) $5,000. You would do a an even greater service to community if you make a police report with respect to your buddy the cop.

Theft

322. (1) Every one commits theft who fraudulently and without colour of right takes, or fraudulently and without colour of right converts to his use or to the use of another person, anything, whether animate or inanimate, with intent

(a) to deprive, temporarily or absolutely, the owner of it, or a person who has a special property or interest in it, of the thing or of his property or interest in it

Time when theft completed

(2) A person commits theft when, with intent to steal anything, he moves it or causes it to move or to be moved, or begins to cause it to become movable.

Purpose of taking

(4) For the purposes of this Act, the question whether anything that is converted is taken for the purpose of conversion, or whether it is, at the time it is converted, in the lawful possession of the person who converts it is not material.

Punishment for theft

334. Except where otherwise provided by law, every one who commits theft

(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years, where the property stolen is a testamentary instrument or the value of what is stolen exceeds five thousand dollars; or

(b) is guilty

(i) of an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years, or

(ii) of an offence punishable on summary conviction,

where the value of what is stolen does not exceed five thousand dollars.

]]> By: A.M. http://www.sync-blog.com/sync/2008/09/sitting-in-the.html/comment-page-1#comment-11069 A.M. Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:05:35 +0000 http://sync.ymbn.net/sync/2008/09/sitting-in-the.html#comment-11069 <p>didnt it occur to you to share this info with the chic? or the other two door knobs?</p> didnt it occur to you to share this info with the chic? or the other two door knobs?

]]> By: Saget http://www.sync-blog.com/sync/2008/09/sitting-in-the.html/comment-page-1#comment-11068 Saget Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:28:00 +0000 http://sync.ymbn.net/sync/2008/09/sitting-in-the.html#comment-11068 <p>Wow, this article deserves some kind of award.</p> Wow, this article deserves some kind of award.

]]> By: Mike from Canmore http://www.sync-blog.com/sync/2008/09/sitting-in-the.html/comment-page-1#comment-11067 Mike from Canmore Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:28:14 +0000 http://sync.ymbn.net/sync/2008/09/sitting-in-the.html#comment-11067 <p>You also need to watch out for the scam at the security checkpoint. They work in pairs on this one - one person on the other side and one person on your side before you go through. You set your computer/blackberry/cell phone in the plastic tray on the belt and send it on through the x-ray machine when the one guy walks through the security and sets it off - while they deal with him with you standing there waiting to go through, your computer pops out on the belt on the other side and his partner walks off with it. Don't send your stuff through until you are able to go through yourself.</p> You also need to watch out for the scam at the security checkpoint. They work in pairs on this one – one person on the other side and one person on your side before you go through. You set your computer/blackberry/cell phone in the plastic tray on the belt and send it on through the x-ray machine when the one guy walks through the security and sets it off – while they deal with him with you standing there waiting to go through, your computer pops out on the belt on the other side and his partner walks off with it. Don't send your stuff through until you are able to go through yourself.

]]> By: michael6 http://www.sync-blog.com/sync/2008/09/sitting-in-the.html/comment-page-1#comment-11066 michael6 Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:36:43 +0000 http://sync.ymbn.net/sync/2008/09/sitting-in-the.html#comment-11066 <p>Even without having my laptop with me I always loop the strap of my bag over my knee, or during my commute when I am apt to doze off I have my arm through the strp of my bag. Ensuring that I would be awakened should my bag be disturded.</p> <p>It is amazing how many people don't seem to take such precautions while out and about. </p> Even without having my laptop with me I always loop the strap of my bag over my knee, or during my commute when I am apt to doze off I have my arm through the strp of my bag. Ensuring that I would be awakened should my bag be disturded.

It is amazing how many people don't seem to take such precautions while out and about.

]]> By: Peter Wolchak http://www.sync-blog.com/sync/2008/09/sitting-in-the.html/comment-page-1#comment-11065 Peter Wolchak Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:58:50 +0000 http://sync.ymbn.net/sync/2008/09/sitting-in-the.html#comment-11065 <p>Pete and Cheryl, you are absolutely correct. I should have warned her. Part of it was a reluctance to approach people I don't know, especially in airports. Also, I did walk around and before I was done my flight was being called, and so I did not return to my seat.<br /> But it did occur to me just after that warning her would have been the right thing to do.<br /> Thanks for calling me on it.<br /> Peter</p> Pete and Cheryl, you are absolutely correct. I should have warned her. Part of it was a reluctance to approach people I don't know, especially in airports. Also, I did walk around and before I was done my flight was being called, and so I did not return to my seat.
But it did occur to me just after that warning her would have been the right thing to do.
Thanks for calling me on it.
Peter

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