The bathroom stall phone call |
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Posted by Simon Cohen at 2:28 PM | E-mail this post
Like it or not, cell phones at work have become a fact of life. But just because your little portable pal is ringing, doesn't mean you need to answer.
This week, according to the CTIA Wireless Association, cell phone penetration hit 82% in the US. Presumably we in Canada can't be far behind.
With so many people carrying phones with them, it shouldn't be a surprise that we use them literally everywhere we go. The question is, where do we (or should we) draw the line?
When Marc Saltzman recently asked the question Do You Drive and Talk? we heard from a lot of folks who feel that talking and driving is unnacceptable. Seems almost everyone has a story about a bad driver who suddenly veered into another lane because they were too busy talking on the phone to do a proper shoulder check.
It also appears that people are getting fed up with cell phone conversations or random ringtones spoiling their dinners while at restaurants or in movie theatres. Manufacturers are 'answering the call' for privacy with >personal cell phone jammers that can supposedly block all calls to and from mobile phones within a 40 foot radius. Think that's a great idea? Think again: they are >definitely not legal in Canada.
But perhaps the most socially questionable use of mobile technology is in the bathroom, especially public ones. Stuart Jeffries from the Guardian has mused on the ability some men have shown in being able to >urinate and conduct a phone call simultaneously. Yes, it seems >women do this too.
Why do we feel the need to be in touch no matter where we are or what we are in the middle of doing? Recently a colleague of mine called me and asked, "I just tried calling you on your cell - you didn't pick up." "I know, I was in the bathroom," I replied. Pause. "Oh," he said. Hmm, maybe bodily functions are no longer an excuse for missing a call.
Then there's the whole question of hygiene. You wash your hands after doing your business (don't you?) - maybe we should be wiping off our handsets too. It's been well documented that our >computer keyboards can be filthier than toilet seats. I wonder what the germ count on a typical Blackberry is.
So where do you stand (or sit) on the question of cell phones in the bathroom? Is it ok to place or take a call while on the toilet? Are there other places or times when using a phone or PDA is simply not okay?
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James on November 15 at 12:13 PM | Report abuse
People on the crapper talking away next to me is really disturbing.. thats why when and if this happens.. I am certain to flush my toilet more than once, turn the water to full when washing up and foregoinging the paper towels for the more environmentally friendly (read louder) air dryer..
Laura on November 15 at 1:41 PM | Report abuse
Ok, except that wastes tons of water. I dont think that someone talking on their phone is a big enough deal to want to be wasteful. Why do you care so much?
Rod on November 15 at 3:53 PM | Report abuse
Unfortunately we are becoming so harried in our lives that we can not even find private time for private activities.
You wonder why everyone is stressed and seemingly healthy people are always sick.
This constant barrage of information accessibility is killing us. Take 5 minutes for yourself! Do it right now, close the office door and relax! You will be shocked at how liberating it is.
JUST UNPLUG!!!!!!!!
Steven on November 16 at 7:57 AM | Report abuse
Laura's perfectly right! It isn't such a big deal to justify this type of harrasment, let alone the waste.
I'd much rather listen to a phone conversation than to the other noises...
Which brings me to my pet peeve of public bathrooms: who the heck invented these "open concept" toilets anyway?
John on November 16 at 8:48 AM | Report abuse
Talking to yery few of us is that vital to the well-being and survival of the human race that we can't turn the damn things off. If we think we are so important we need to carry on a conversation in the public washroom, or a restaurant, then narcissism has won!!
MichaelS on November 16 at 4:12 PM | Report abuse
First off, there's nothing new here; people have been doing it for years with regular phones, then cordless phones, and now cell phones.
But people talk in person while on the pot or taking a piss, so what's the difference between that and the phone? Well, assuming the person you're talking to doesn't mind; I rarely answer the phone in the bathroom because I don't want to offend the person on the other end of the line: Yeah, I need you to have that report to me by 3 o'clock; can you do that? Plus, at some point I'll need my hands, and I really don't trust my shoulder to keep the phone from making a big splash.
However, if it's something important in a single-user bathroom I'll pause my sounds long enough to get the important message. And yes, I clean the phone off afterwards (I also clean my keyboard every so often).
MichaelS on November 16 at 4:16 PM | Report abuse
Oops, it killed my text-sound because it looked like HTML (I used the wrong braces): that's supposed to read "Yeah, I need you to have that report to me by {loud, disgusting sound} 3 o'clock; can you do that?"
Barbarabest on November 16 at 10:07 PM | Report abuse
I've been injured by people driving with cell phones-shouldn't be allowed when driving. People need time in the privacy of the bathroom, who needs dinner ruined, and as the world gets ruder and ruder most of it being caused by the stupid cell phone. We all existed before the contraption was invented and maybe people need the sound of silence once in awhile to get hold of their minds. Bring peace to this world not mania.
MontyS on November 18 at 8:39 AM | Report abuse
Cell phones ringing in the bath room are not the only annoyance. When you are having a conversation or a meeting with another person, to properly listen you must give your undivided attention. Cell phones ringing in meetings are very annoying. If you can't silence the ring and call back later - get out of my meeting, you are disturbing those who want to be there.
Vladimir N Poppe on November 18 at 12:16 PM | Report abuse
Well it finally came to pass,phones in the bathroom!What is wrong with this picture? I do not think that there is anything important enough to have whatever I am doing in there {interfered with} by a phone-call!A phone to me has its place in my livingroom and if I am not there to answer,too bad leave a message and if I like what I hear may-be I will get back to you!I WILL NOT carry a phone with me at any time!Long story short,if you do not want to be bothered with a phone in every part of your life,just dont carry one!
Chris W on November 19 at 6:48 AM | Report abuse
Vlad has it right. Just say no!
Karen on November 19 at 7:23 AM | Report abuse
No phones in the bathroom period! Especially now that some have cameras. I carry a cell phone as I require one for business; however, I set limits on when I am available to answer. I have set hours for when I take and return calls. I refuse to take calls when in transit, in the company of others, or any other inappropriate time... unless it is very important.
Alice on November 19 at 8:17 AM | Report abuse
The fact that we have to even ask this question says a lot for our society. I personally do not want to speak to someone while they are using the facilities or be interrupting someone's dinner unless the call is a life or death situation (and I mean life or death). I've also been dealing with customers in banks and medical clinics who have stood there talking on their phones. When did RUDE become socially acceptable?
JR. PETERSON on November 19 at 8:25 AM | Report abuse
I like talking on my cell when I'm vulnerable. Sometimes I call the guy in the next stall and talk for hours.
Randy on November 19 at 9:16 AM | Report abuse
Yup. Look at us, evolving.
Kyle on November 19 at 9:50 AM | Report abuse
Cell phone usage is out of control. I don't advocate government intervention, but I do advocate people letting others know how rude it is to be carrying on a phone conversation in such places as the restroom, grocery stores, fast food restaurants, etc. The idea that someone "needs" to talk on a phone at all times is ridiculous. Businesses shouldn't have to remind patrons to shut of cell phones or install blocking devices - but if a business wants to then I am all for it.
I get tired of dealing with idiots on the road with one hand on the cell, one hand around the cup of coffee, and no hands on the steering wheel. As someone else said, when did it become socially acceptable to become rude? And when did it become the social norm to be so self absorbed that we forget about others around us - for safety reasons as well as common courtesy?
ferpet on November 19 at 9:59 AM | Report abuse
I find it disgusting that people are using their phones in bathrooms. They may as well build a toilet in the middle of the office or living room so that they dont have the inconvenience of going to a small room in private. If these people dont mind you hearing everything then they dont mind you seeing everything. DISGUSTING.
Christina on November 19 at 10:12 AM | Report abuse
I can understand people being upset when someone is using a cell phone while driving; that is endangering other people. Or during a movie, in a library, or a meeting; all places where you will be disturbing others by having your own personal conversation.
However if I'm on the phone in a grocery store, at a restaurant, on the bus or any other public place; I don't feel anyone has a right to call me rude. I'm not interrupting you and what you're doing and quite frankly I'm making less noise then if the person I'm talking to was there with me.
Washrooms are a little disgusting to be on the phone during, but again, i fail to see how these people are negatively affecting anyone other then themselves.
Jasmine on November 19 at 10:30 AM | Report abuse
I tend to agree with Christina.
It is an unfortunate consequence of the ever-growing age of technology that everyone and anyone has a cell phone. It can be argued that people are using them at inappropriate times and in inappropriate places, but these accusations should be made with some leniency.
Since we are constantly being bombarded with new technology (especially ways of communication), it can take some time to get used to. Getting used to people talking on their cell phones seemingly everywhere they go may be a difficult adjustment, but it is the reality of our society.
There should obviously be cell phone etiquette; i.e. not blatantly ignoring the cashier trying to serve you because you're chatting away, not answering your phone during class, not rudely interrupting someone in the middle of a conversation to answer a call, etc. However, placing restrictions on WHERE someone can use their phone is a little ridiculous. Who are you to tell people where they can and cannot use their phones? If it is not directly affecting you, then what do you care?
Also, why are people so upset that others wish to be reached outside of their homes? Many people have cell phones for emergency purposes, or so that they can keep in touch with their children when they go out, etc. It is only in Western society that we are taught to distance ourselves so much from people that it is actually frowned upon when someone wishes to bridge the gap between themselves and their friends and family.
I think people have nothing better to do than find something to complain about, and should start focusing their energy towards something more productive.
Katherine on November 19 at 10:38 AM | Report abuse
Someone mentioned courtesy. There is none - nor is there respect, honesty, trust or any of the other values that the older generation had been taught. What happened to all of that? Please, don't blame all that we are responsible for on technology, although there is a place and a time for certain tasks and we all should be responsible for knowing what the are and where they are to take place
Katherine
Shaza on November 19 at 11:09 AM | Report abuse
Demand and take no excuse for ignorance. I demand all cell phones and other phones OFF when in my house. back to the Time is valuable issue, Little time is spend with each other. If you are with me, near or in my presence, then be with me! OFF!!! It has taken a little to get this through but my children and friends all know driving, eating and just generally hanging out OFF! It doesn't seem to bother them it actually bothers them when they know they forgot to OFF their cell phone and it rings EVERY time we sit to eat as a family. I do get the apologies as does everyone aat the table- Maybe I'm old fashiioned but it does work! Back to driving and all the rest... If more demand it and show by leadiing then the followers apreciate it and FOLLLOW... OFF gives time and brings back the normal face to face conversations and time well spent without interferance. Yes, some calls aare important but to kids all calls are important-
Jeff on November 19 at 11:19 AM | Report abuse
I 100% agree with Christina. It may be disgusting, but I have yet to hear of any injuries caused by someone using the phone in the washroom.
Kim on November 19 at 11:30 AM | Report abuse
I recently had dinner with my daughters at a nice restaurant and after the first call I made one of them turn off her phone It turned out to be a nice phone free dinner.And as far as the bathroom is concerned well is nothing private any more?
Cindy on November 19 at 11:30 AM | Report abuse
Everything is Illegal in Canada. So what is Legal
Peolpe need ono when to use cell phones and movie theaters wonder why they lose buisness...its because of cell phones. There's a time and place for everything
Frank on November 19 at 11:34 AM | Report abuse
As a senior citizen I might be missing some-thing here, but my cell phone has a ringer I can turn down when I don't want to be interupted at an inopportune moment ( I leave 'vibtrate' on ). My phone tells me when I have had a 'Missed Call' and displays the number that I can call back at the press of a button. Isn't it more a case of common sense than technology? And to me the woman standing right next to me in the store talking loudly into her cell phone is not 'rude', she's Crass! There is a good reason public telephones used to be placed in phone 'booths' or 'box's'.
Kim on November 19 at 12:27 PM | Report abuse
I find it ironic that in these days of instant/anywhere communication, there's actually very little true communication taking place.
Sure, we talk, text, e, facebook, myspace, livechat, whatever ad nauseum, but the bulk of those conversations run along the lines of, "So, where are you now? Oh yeah? Do they still have that cool cinnamon latte thingy? Really? Could you get one for me? No, I can't leave this meeting. Uh huh - talking about downsizing. Totally depressing. How can they downsize? We're all so swamped. There's just no time for us to do EVERYthing."
Randy on November 19 at 12:43 PM | Report abuse
It seems to me we are in a society that doe's things because we can.
We dont stop to ask ourselves if we should.
Denise on November 19 at 1:02 PM | Report abuse
Of course chatting on your cellphone while defecating is fine. Heaven forbid you have to actually shut your mouth for three entire minutes. You might miss out on your friend's description of how boring his/her current activity is, or how they saw whats-his-face with whats-her-face doing whatever.
Cellphones have off buttons for a reason. I know that for some people it's a foreign and scary idea, but you might want to try using that off-button once in a while. I mean, what's next? Chatting with a friend at someone's funeral?
Chrystabel on November 19 at 1:23 PM | Report abuse
Disconnect, people, be liberated!
The world won't end if you miss a phone call while you're taking a dump.... and that's a promise...
gloria on November 19 at 1:29 PM | Report abuse
Just becasue it rings (preferably vibrates in a public place) doesn't mean you have to answer right away. Perhaps it would be better to call them back when you are alone in a secured place. As for driving and talking on the phone - driving is a priviledge not a right and anything you do to violate that priviledge/others wellbeing is unacceptable. Talking on the phone while driving leads to a lack of attention and therefore endangers yourself and others - unacceptable. There is also another safety issue that no one talks about- I wonder if people understand that by discussing every detail of their life, and where they are going, etc in earshot of others could potentially set you in harms way. Other people listen - even if they don't want to...
mm on November 19 at 2:21 PM | Report abuse
i love talking on the phone while im sittin on the tioilet..quite entertaining i must say
Kimberley on November 19 at 2:37 PM | Report abuse
As someone who has been administrating business cellphones for more than 10 years, I can tell you first hand that cellphones in washrooms are hazardous. If you are discussing a potential client/deal or idea you don't know who is in the next stall...they may steal your new client, deal or idea! Also, I have had salesmen hand me cellphones that have gone for a "swim" (YUCK!) Electronics don't swim and I don't want to touch it if it has!
Courtesy, safety and discretion should always be kept in mind when using your cellphone. Your safety may be at risk if you discuss where you are going on vacation next week while you are in line at the grocery store. An unscrupulous person may follow you home, note your address and return while you are away.
o.o on November 19 at 2:49 PM | Report abuse
Wow, I can't believe I just wasted a couple of minutes of my life reading all of these. Thanks for the wonderful reactions so far though. Was quite entertaining.
edgerunner on November 19 at 2:57 PM | Report abuse
To those who think using a cell phone a bathroom is no big deal. Let me tell you it's no great thrill hearing anyone's bodily fuctions issuing forth in a bathroom, but I am even less enthused hearing about your latest acquistion, conflict, arguiment... I don't give a damn about it and don't want to be stuck listening to it because nature calls. News flash, you're not that important. Turn the phone off, do your business, get out, and then go back to being a self centered, shallow twit when you're out of my earshot.
PassingWindEchosInTheBowl on November 19 at 3:11 PM | Report abuse
Invent a phone that dispenses toilet paper and you've got a new multi-billion dollar business plan.
It gives a whole new meaning to "downloadable content".
Fretboard Wizard on November 19 at 3:19 PM | Report abuse
We, as a society, existed for hundreds of years without cellular technology, yet now we have it, the reliance on it is unbelievable!!! I find it difficult to fathom that ANYONE is that important they can't shut their bloody phone off long enough to eat dinner, watch a movie, or answer nature's call!! Anybody who has allowed their work (or whatever other outside entity) to penetrate their lives so completely they can't eat or poop in peace, has a lot more major issues than just the moral problem of when or when not to answer their cell phone!
Jen T on November 19 at 3:33 PM | Report abuse
I would never dream of using my cell phone in the washroom, especially a public one! I get really offended when other people use their cell phone in a public washroom. It's not sound of the conversation...it's the fact that MY sounds are now being broadcast elsewhere.
What's wrong with granting other people a few moments of privacy?
Dave on November 19 at 4:45 PM | Report abuse
I feel sorry for those people ... i'd guess the majority ... that can find any excuse to justify using the cell phone for anything other than an emergency. And a few random thoughts re: cell usage ... if you're in a line to pay and you're cell conversation is holding me up, then you're going to hear from me. And I'm certain that there is a segment of society that would be real interested in knowing you're not going to be home for a few hours also.
Justin on November 19 at 5:40 PM | Report abuse
Well, after reading through all that, (procrastinating from work, of course), I would have to say that its your personal choice to talk in a public bathroom. Jasmine and Christina have got it! I understand that cell phones have cameras, and thats the only reason why they should be banned from the washroom. But as for just a conversation in the next stall? who cares if your "sounds" are being broadcasted?! The cellphone allows our society to get more things done in the day. And if that means making arrangements for later while on the toilet, so be it! Life is short; I might as well get things done, that need to be done, at the same time!
Erin on November 19 at 6:32 PM | Report abuse
Personally I feel uncomfortable talking on my phone in a public washroom, and am uncomfortable when others talk on theirs.
I also find it hard to take someone's point of view seriously when their post is fraught with typos, like many of these are.
Billy on November 19 at 7:26 PM | Report abuse
Read your post again Erin because you have made a few mistakes yourself.
Vic on November 19 at 7:54 PM | Report abuse
Well what about personal freedom?, not that I do it personally or if I agree or not. I subscribe to the notion that I'm free to use my phone anywhere I want to. If you don't like it, then go find another washroom.
Freedom is a fragile thing, so is respect for other people's practices. I disagree with many things, but I don't fret because, I recognize that people have freedoms to do things. And that I don't like those thing I only need to not participate.
I hate people talking during movies, any kind of talking. Does it matter that it's a cell phone or just chatting with the person next to them?, NO of course not.
Cellphones in cars?, they should ban food, drinks, books, make-up, cigarrette smoking, operating the radio, etc. THere are a ton of distractions to drivers. If you ban one, you should ban ALL of them. Women applying make-up while driving are probably more a risk than people chatting on their cell phones.
Anna Bella on November 19 at 8:12 PM | Report abuse
I think it is tacky talking on the phone while using the bathroom but who am I to complain about it? If i can hear wierd noises coming from the other end, rather than fume silently (or come to post my comments on webpages such as this one) i tell the other person ill call them back or to call me at a better time. I am not shy, yet i voice my opinion with diplomacy, not rudely. As for the whole camera thing, what difference does it make if its a camera phone or a camera? The person would have to place the phone underneath the stall and take the picture (so its not like you wouldnt see it) and how do you have anymore control over a phone camera then if they placed a real camera under the stall? You dont, so the whole camera issue is not valid, besides you can hear the phone camera click, so its not like you dont know. But im wondering how many people actually do it, everyone i know thinks its terible manners and most people here think so too...so who are these people talking while sitting on the crapper. I am aware they exist but i not convinced its the majority of people. Dont fret, manners still exist (despite the pessimism of many)
Brad on November 19 at 8:57 PM | Report abuse
You are all nuts.
Too much time on your hands, and it's ticking away, ticking away......
David on November 19 at 9:13 PM | Report abuse
I was relieving my self in a public washroom and the gentleman beside me received a cell phone call and chatted for a bit. I looked at him..He replied they do not know where I am..
michelle hollingshead on November 19 at 10:03 PM | Report abuse
Well why are we so damn "busy"and important that we need to answer the phone while on the can?I was thinking earlier today about mothers when I was growing up ( the 70's)who had those gargantuan long cords on the wall mounted phone.It would shrilly scream and everyone would break their necks running to answer it!It was your DUTY to get to the ringing phone!
Round about 17 years old I said enough!
That's what answering machines are for!
Remember that?That feeling of autonomy?
Reclaim it!
Just because a phone is ringing does not mean it needs to be answered!Aren't you paying for call display/call waiting/etc?
USE IT!!
Don't be a lickspittle to your phone-it's supposed to be serving YOU!!!!
laine on November 19 at 10:40 PM | Report abuse
seriously - what's the big deal?? i'm busy 24/7. people wait on hold for hours to reach me. it's the way my world works. i'm on the phone thousands of minutes each month. if i want to talk and poo, then i'll talk and poo. i won't talk in a restaurant, or a theater, but do you REALLY need to concentrate when you poo? so much that you can't stand hearing me talk? maybe if you had friends, or a life, or a real job, you'd need to use the phone too. in the meantime, go hang out in the '80s with your betamax vcr and a bad pair of stonewashed jeans on.
Erin on November 19 at 11:12 PM | Report abuse
I meant the posts where individuals make careliss spel/ing mistake's like that, but thanks Billy.
dianne on November 19 at 11:13 PM | Report abuse
seriously you guys need to get a life
Scott on November 19 at 11:16 PM | Report abuse
Apparently you do too dianne